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Ford in-line six stationary power unit

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JOB

08-13-2006 04:32:04

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I have a Ford in-line six stationary power unit that runs hot. It has plenty of coolant in the radiator. I set the timing awhile back to fix the problem. But now I have the same problem. I even cleaned up the distributor advance linkage and it still runs hot. Anyone have any ideas on this. Any help on this would be appreciated, Thanks.

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dave guest

01-18-2007 21:25:04

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-13-2006 04:32:04

Agree with Tinker and you know with a pressure cap engine can reach higher temp. like 250 without problem. Small chance check heat riser on manifold for proper operation and lean mixture could run hotter(open idle mix 1/2 turn or so. Fan clutch if equipped should not spin too freely. Give it a twist and see if it stops in about 1 turn. If more, probably bad. Fan pulley could be too large giving less flow. Pulley too small and pump cavitates also bad for cooling. Also wrong fan blade.

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frankiee

08-25-2006 07:42:45

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-13-2006 04:32:04

I would recommend getting an infrared temp reader.
Gut use to the engines temps and all associated equiptment. Read each exhaust port.
We use them on ship every hour. It is our main tool to watch engine condition. There are allways exhaust temp gauges on the exhaust ports anyway but we still use the infared to pinpoint temps.
I think any handyman would make use of it when working on engines.
On my dads vehicle I have a pressure gauge hooked up to the coolant line to help diagnosis. Ship engines have those as standard also. They help diagnois head problems.
I would start off by getting the temp gun.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=91778

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JOB

08-25-2006 19:27:38

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to frankiee, 08-25-2006 07:42:45

I am not to fond of buying stuff from harbor freight I have seen their catalogs and the prices are so cheap the items can't be very high quality. I would also have one more thing lying around that is very seldom used.

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Dave Powell

08-16-2006 00:38:55

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-13-2006 04:32:04

Not sure if the straight 6 does the same thing as V8 Fords. Late 70s ford pickups where I worked had an overheating problem. In city driving ran in normal temp range, get on expressway 60 MPH and the more you went the hotter it would get. We cleaned the radiator and all the other stuff mentioned here. Did no good, What finally cured it was to remove the freeze plugs on both sides of the block and clean out accumulated sludge that was not letting the coolant get where it was needed.

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JOB

08-17-2006 19:04:07

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to Dave Powell, 08-16-2006 00:38:55

Sounds like there could be a lot of possible problems with this engine. Thanks

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Glen in TX

08-15-2006 08:15:41

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-13-2006 04:32:04

On 300 Ford irrigation engines we have had problems with manifold leaks and why many run headers on them now. Manifold leaks and someone unknowingly gets water in cylinder and a cracked cylinder. If you see air bubbles coming up in radiator while running suspect a cracked cylinder wall or bad head gasket. It will get worse as engine heats up too if bad cylinder wall. Does one or two spark plugs look different than the others. If so then suspect those for gasket leakage. Check the water pump good and don't it let it fool you either as they may look good but still be bad. Might have to try another distributor too.

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JOB

08-17-2006 19:12:27

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to Glen in TX, 08-15-2006 08:15:41

The exhaust manifold is cracked in a couple of places. I should make a header for this engine and while I am at it make a new intake manifold. Someone else told me that intake manifolds crack also. I will check the radiator for bubbles this weekend. That's all I need is bubbles. Thanks for the input

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Glen in TX

08-17-2006 22:16:20

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-17-2006 19:12:27

Getting harder to find manifolds at junk yards for the 300 several years ago let alone now. We never had much trouble with the intakes but a hard fast rain would bust the exhaust manifolds on them. You might contact Don Hardy engines and see if they still make or have 300 Ford headers. We bought some from them in the past. I may still have a set would sell? Nothing on their site about those but does give the phone numbers. Link

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JOB

08-21-2006 18:20:11

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to Glen in TX, 08-17-2006 22:16:20

I had the engine running this weekend, put a new vacuum advance on the distributor. Now the engine seems to get to 210 or better and stay there, I did not try to get it any hotter. 210 is too hot as it is. I had the radiator cap off the entire time to see if the water was circulating well. I did not see much for water movement. I figured the culprit was the thermostat or water pump. I took it apart tonight and found no thermostat. I pulled the water pump and the impeller seemed tight to the shaft. I heated the impeller up with a torch hot enough so you could not hold onto it and the impeller did not want to budge on the shaft. I could see # 1 cylinder after removing the pump and the water cavity seems really clean. Do you have any more ideas? If the radiator cap were tight would it have got that hot? The pump looks good to me unless I do not know what to look for. I did not remove any spark plugs, but I do not have bubbles in the cooling water. I feel this thing should run cooler than it does.

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Tramway Guy

08-28-2006 16:45:22

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-21-2006 18:20:11

If your engine has a 'bypass' type thermostat, you have to leave it in the system. If you don't, there is nothing to prevent the coolant from circulating within the block instead of going out to the radiator. Practically every engine since 1960 has a bypass system, I would guess.

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JOB

08-29-2006 14:49:49

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to Tramway Guy, 08-28-2006 16:45:22

There does not appear to be a bypass in the system. It seems to run OK now I just think the temperature guage is off.

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Glen in TX

08-21-2006 21:41:08

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-21-2006 18:20:11

Put a thermostat back in it, like 180 or 190 or 160 or what works best in your climate. The water was circulating too fast with no thermostat and not having time to cool.

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JOB

08-22-2006 19:04:33

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to Glen in TX, 08-21-2006 21:41:08

When I lived in Florida we would have no thermostat in our cars and it did not seem to matter, so I did not think it would make a difference in this engine. I live in Minnesota and I thought I would put in a 160-degree thermostat. Thanks for the advice, I will get one and reassemble the front end of the engine. I would like to use it this weekend.

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Glen in TX

08-22-2006 19:23:38

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-22-2006 19:04:33

We've always had to run a 160 or 180 thermostat in 300 Fords on irrigation pumps to keep them cool and our cooling was done by a cooling jacket with tubes for the cold pump water to run across and we always use antifreeze/coolant in it as well in warm/cold sometimes strange climate of the Texas panhandle. I bet you'll get it too cool down some now. Also check with a thermometer if guage still shows too hot as the sender on guage might be bad too.

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JOB

08-23-2006 19:13:20

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to Glen in TX, 08-22-2006 19:23:38

I just put the 160-degree thermostat in the engine and filled it with antifreeze and water. Started the engine and it did not take long for the temperature to get past 200 degrees. I felt of the upper hose with the engine running and it was hot, you would not want to keep your hand on it. The lower hose was cool; you could keep your hand on it. The water is cooling going through the radiator. I wonder if I have a faulty gauge. After I shut the engine off I removed the radiator cap and it did not steam or boil so I am kind of leaning towards a faulty gauge. Last summer when we used this engine it got so hot that it shut off, so I know it was not cooling then. I also noticed that I have a large piece of exhaust manifold missing, down from number 4 cylinder. Would that heat up the engine more than the cooling water can cool? Those headers that you mentioned, were they made out of tubing, or a heaver material? Could you give me an idea of how they were configured? I would be tempted to make a set out of steel pipe.

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Glen in TX

08-24-2006 09:40:30

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-23-2006 19:13:20

You may want to find a temperature probe and put in radiator and see how hot it shows if it's not boiling. Those temp guages the AC guys use work well and I've seen those cheap at Harbor Freight too. You may have to go with a 180' thermostat or in that range depending on what they have. The lower the thermostat temp rating the faster it will still circulate. Otherwise you may have a cracked cylinder or cracked head or bad head or wrong head gasket on it yet? Yes, the headers are just made of tubing and for irrigation if not close to a home we got by running them straight without mufflers but they are loud that way. The ones we used were two piece with 3 pipes to a outlet and two outlets and you have to use the early styled 300 intake manifold with them. I've seen other headers that were one piece made by the racing places but those are kind of pricy too at $350-500. Never did look to see if we had a spare set of 300 headers yet or not. I was thinking new ones use to run around $180-$225 a set?

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JOB

08-27-2006 18:48:06

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to Glen in TX, 08-24-2006 09:40:30

We used the engine for 2 hours on Saturday and it never overheated. The temperature gauge read 220 the entire time, but there was no steam or water running out anywhere. I bought a cheap temperature gauge that I see was a mistake now. The store I bought the temperature gauge at is a store that sells cheap stuff like Harbor Freight. I kind of feel my major problem on the over heating was the vacuum advance not working. With that fixed and a 160 thermostat the engine seems to run fine. I just need to fix the cracked exhaust manifold, or should I say make or get another one. Thanks for the help you gave.

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Glen in TX

08-27-2006 21:15:03

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-27-2006 18:48:06

Ok good deal. I never had time over weekend to see if we had any more good manifolds or extra headers. Got a rebuilt 300 now with headers on a irrigation pump stand and no one runs those here anymore and been thinking about using it for a log splitter or generator.

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JOB

08-29-2006 14:54:59

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to Glen in TX, 08-27-2006 21:15:03

I don't think I would use it on a log splitter. In the two hours time we ran this engine it went through 5 gallons of gas. I am feeding a lot of horses that I would not need to. If I could find a smaller stationary power unit I think I would get rid of this one.

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Glen in TX

08-29-2006 15:29:51

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-29-2006 14:54:59

We ran the 300s on natural gas for irrigation and yeah I wouldn't run it on gas either. On natural gas or propane if I use it but probably just sell it to someone for a pump engine if can. On irrigation pumps the 300 will almost pull what a 350 Chevy would and pull better than a 318 Chrysler but you have use the right gear ratio gear head on pump. Have another V4 Wisconsin for a log splitter if I can find a big pump for it now to run a 5" x 48" cylinder. Was going to get a pic of headers for you but that engine is stored in dark place in barn now.

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JOB

08-30-2006 19:09:34

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to Glen in TX, 08-29-2006 15:29:51

I would like to see a picture of a header set up to give me an idea of how someone made theirs. If you get a chance snap a picture and send it, I would appreciate it.

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JOB

08-24-2006 19:56:06

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to Glen in TX, 08-24-2006 09:40:30

Thanks Glen I am going to try and use this engine this weekend and see if it gets hotter when it has to work a little. I was told it has approximately 90 horse, I only need 25 for what I am using it for, so it won't have to work too hard. As for headers I will probably build me a set. I was thinking of using weld able pipe fittings and schedule 40 pipe. Or else buy tubing with mandrel bends in it from JC Whitney and make up an exhaust system. Somehow I should be able to separate the Ford intake from the exhaust, and use the Ford intake. If I can get enough help on Saturday or Sunday I will use the engine and let you know if it gets too hot.

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Senlim

08-15-2006 04:42:20

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-13-2006 04:32:04

Check the water pump impeller - I have seen impellers come loose on these engines. Remove pump and boil the pump (get it to working temp) then with good gloves try and twist the impeller on the shaft. It should not move.

Senlim

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JOB

08-17-2006 19:00:16

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to Senlim, 08-15-2006 04:42:20

I will try and check the impeller this weekend I need to use the engine soon and I need to get it fixed

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JOB

08-21-2006 18:29:09

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-17-2006 19:00:16

I removed the pump and the impeller seems tight. I took a torch and heated the impeller hot enough so you could not touch it and it still did not want to move. When I ran the engine this weekend I had the radiator cap off and did not see a lot of water movement. There is no thermostat so the thermostat is not the problem. This engine still runs 210 or a little better, it should run cooler. Did I not check the pump good enough?

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JOB

08-13-2006 19:53:35

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-13-2006 04:32:04

That has been done. Water flows nicely through it and the cooling fins are clean. Had all that done when I bought the engine. Any more Ideas, I am open to anything.

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David Manring

08-13-2006 20:33:51

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-13-2006 19:53:35

How about a fan shroud on the radiator? Fan belt tight? Thermostat in, and working? Radiator cap correct pressure? Do you know what temp it is runnin I E 200 deg? 212 ? any antifreeze in it to raise the boiling point? just a few of the regulars.

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job

08-14-2006 20:43:40

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to David Manring, 08-13-2006 20:33:51

There is a fan shroud on the radiator, antifreeze in the coolant. Belts are tight. The engine will idle just fine and not run hot, put some RPM's to it and it starts to heat up, over 210 degrees. As for the radiator cap, I can't say, It is the one that came with the engine. As for the thermostat the engine has water circulating before it gets up too hot. I am kind of stumped.

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Mike S

08-17-2006 13:08:35

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to job, 08-14-2006 20:43:40

If the radiator fluid is circulating before it gets hot, then I am thinking your thermostat is not correct. The idea behind a thermostat is that is opens and closes. Water gets hot, it opens to let cooler water in, temp drops, it closes and starts the cycle over again. Make sure you have the correct one for that engine and check that it does not open prematurely. I check mine in a pot on the stove.

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bill mar

08-15-2006 05:25:33

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to job, 08-14-2006 20:43:40

check to see that the radiator hoses arent collapsing when the engine is under load.bill m.

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David Manring

08-15-2006 04:21:11

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to job, 08-14-2006 20:43:40

Job , Yes it sounds like evil spirits. Unless the head is cracked, wrong head gasket ,gasket installed wrong? if the motor has been apart. Or you might change the thermostat and get a higher # radiator cap.
My brother in law had a Falcon car years ago that was doing that. Don't remember what they did? He would not remember either as he is not into mechanics .

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Tinker In TN

08-13-2006 14:42:00

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Re: Ford in-line six stationary power unit in reply to JOB, 08-13-2006 04:32:04

Maybe you should clean out the radiator?

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