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Information on a Domestic 1 1/2 Hp Engine Needed

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JunkMaster

08-28-2001 14:30:42




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I recently purchased an engine called a Domestic Sideshaft Engine, made in Shippensburg, Pa by the Domestic Pump&Engine Co. I am 17 and I live in New Jersey. I was informed about the engine through a freind of my father. I did not know what make it was at the time, but from the pictures that I had recieved, the engine was fairly complete. This engine was located in a very suburban town right across the river from Philadelpia. It was in a garage, and the engine was not stuck. The owner would rotate the flywheel a couple of times a year. The man that owned the engine was over eighty years old, and informed me that the engine was owned by his father in law. He had met his wife in 1938, and had never seen the engine run in his life. Thinking that I could not loose that much money in the engine, I bought it on the spot. I paid 400 dollars for it, and took it home. I got the engine in my shop, and started to work on it. The valves were stuck, and after some penetrating oil, they freed up easily. The gas tank was located under the block, and my father and I poured gas into it. The carburetor is very simple in design, since there is no floats. My father and I hooked up some kind of coil used for testing outboard motors to the engine, thinking that the original electrical system would not work. It started after less than an hour of work. Not bad for an engine that is older than my dad and myself combined. The engine would run for a short time, but we hooked the original electrical system up, and it ran perfectly on the original coil. I have removed the grease on the engine with solvent, and all of the original red paint is there. This engine is also mounted on original trucks, and that has green paint also. Also included with the engine was the original toolbox, starting instructions, a nice starting crank made partly out of wood, and some mysterious wooden boxes. The serial number of this engine is somewhere in the 12,000's, I forget the exact number. What I would like to know is a general date of manufacture, instructions on the timing of the engine, it's value, or anything about these engines. I would appreciate the help, since I cannot find anything about these engines on the Internet. Thank You.

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Baggsy

08-29-2001 05:41:37




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 Re: Information on a Domestic 1 1/2 Hp Engine Needed in reply to JunkMaster, 08-28-2001 14:30:42  
Head over to Harry's place at www.engineads.com They have a wealth of knowledge over there. Kind of YTMAG for stationary's over there. Pretty good search engine plus a bunch of guys that REALLY know their stuff. I found a site the other night that has reprints of most of the old manuals for a really good price, but I don't have the address in front of me. E-mail me or post back here if you'd like it...Good luck with the old engine, sounds like you got a real good one!

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JunkMaster

08-29-2001 11:49:38




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 Re: Re: Information on a Domestic 1 1/2 Hp Engine Needed in reply to Baggsy, 08-29-2001 05:41:37  
Thak you for the information, Harry's engine web site is quite interesting. I would be interested in the address for the company that reproduces manuals. I appreciate your time and consideration.



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Baggsy

08-29-2001 13:30:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Information on a Domestic 1 1/2 Hp Engine Needed in reply to JunkMaster, 08-29-2001 11:49:38  
Here's the one I found...good prices...

http://www.orwell.net/~hitnmiss/ed_new.html#index



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JunkMaster83

08-29-2001 18:47:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Information on a Domestic 1 1/2 Hp Engine Needed in reply to Baggsy, 08-29-2001 13:30:08  
I appreciate your help. I have located some replacement literature at>Link
There>Link is only one listing of replacement literature, so I guess this is not a very common machine. I appreciate your help. If it interests you, I am looking into an advertisement for an antique lineshaft powered machine shop in central New Jersey, not far from where I am. This engine would probably not produce enough power for such equipment, but what are the chances that I would run into equipment like this again. I already have an old heavy duty powered grindstone, and an old drill press that I plan to run with this engine. Restoring old equipment is a great hobby, most kids my age are spending money on alcohol, clothes, or fast cars. Through this hobby, I have learned valuable skills, parts of American history, and nice people such as yourself. In addition, if I ever decide to sell the engine, I assume I would make a profit, but the next time that this engine will come up for sale is when I am dead and buried. I also have a John Deere Model BNH that I am restoring, and an old Oliver 880.

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baggsy

08-30-2001 07:24:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Information on a Domestic 1 1/2 Hp Engine Needed in reply to JunkMaster83, 08-29-2001 18:47:51  
JM, glad to hear you're into the hobby while you're young! I hope that means that you don't have any body piercing or wear pants that a tractor would fit into with room to spare. I'm just starting into the stationary's myself...we live in Wyoming and info on them is about as sparse as our population. At last count we still have more antelope than we do people. Are you looking at buying the old machine shop? My Grandad was a machinist and I'm really sorry that I didn't take more interest in it when I was young. I believe all that old stuff is becoming real collectible and in a hurry! They all came from simpler times that we will never see again. My interest started with the tractors too, your old JD and Oliver are excellent pieces of equipment. I've got an old Farmall, a Case SI (pride and joy), and two project JD model A's. I always wanted an old hit and miss, but just never ran into them out here for less than an arm and a leg. Now I'm making payments on an old throttle governed Sattley that just matches the decor of my shop. My two sons are REAL interested in the old stuff, and like you say, it beats what most of the kids out there are doing these days. I just hope they stay interested. Are the old stationary's getting to be a pretty hot item back east?

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JunkMaster83

08-30-2001 11:10:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Information on a Domestic 1 1/2 Hp Engine Needed in reply to baggsy, 08-30-2001 07:24:29  
My father has tons of old junk, and he worked for International harvester from the time he got out of high school, untill they went out of business. He also farmed, and he deals in old equipment, but he has never seen old one cylinder engines from where we are in Central Jersey. He told me to buy the engine, since he had never in his lifetime seen an old engine like my domestic. Recently, a buddy of mine dug a very old engine out of the ground. It has to be around one to two horsepower, and its air-cooled. The same guy has an old Delaval engine, and a sad looking International LBA engine, which i'm trying to buy. I know of one old timer that has a 6 horsepower wisconsin engine, and he says its from 1905. I have tried to buy it off of him, but he refuses to sell it. Thats pretty much all of the old engines that I have seen around here, there are not many farms around here, development has swallowed them up. I plan to call on the machine shop as soon as I get home from college. I also have another engine, a generator. It is made by Consolidated Diesel, and it has the same engine as a TD-14 Bulldozer, made by International Harvester. It is massive, but it only has 125 hours on it, and it is World War Two surplus. A family friend told me about two monarch tracklayers not far from here. I have been trying to get him to take me to where they are, but due to conflicting schedueles, I have not been able to go. This person supposedly has a steam-powered donkey engine which he tried to give away to the guy that informed me about these jewels. One supposedly was free, and somewhat running fifteen years ago, and the exhaust is supposedly covered. I guess there is alot of big equipment out in Wyoming, most of it here has been already bought up or junked. I'm not a fan of Case, but my favorites are John Deere, they just keep on going. John Deere A's are great tractors, I have been thinking about selling my Oliver, and buying another John Deere. Our farm is only a hobby farm know, but my dad has three John Deere A's one JD La, Massey Ferguson 135's, and a 90, Ford 800's and a 2000, some Allis Chalmers, and a bunch of IH Bulldozers. I forgot one engine that I know about, a freind took me to a place close by where a man had Cat 10's Cat 60's, a Holt Tiller steer, a WW1, yes World War One armored bulldozer made by Holt, and a ton of other stuff. In one shed was a very large stationary engine on massive trucks with a drivers seat, and a horse hitch. It had an odd cooling system, it looked like the water was cooled by some device made out of wire fencing. It still had the original paint, but it was covered in junk. I'm saving that for when I get out of college. Good luck on the John Deere's, what years are they? I have never seen any case tractors anywhere around here in NJ. I guess there weren't any dealers. My dad is kind of limiting the amount of junk that I drag home, because alot of it is going real cheap around here. I recently bought three Allis Chalmers, a B, and two CA's for 200 dollars. One CA looks good, but the other one has water in the oil, so it is destined for parts. I'm also looking at a Cletrac EHG-68 with a stuck motor, but it has a very good undercarriage. One fact that intrigues me is the amount that IH Cubs bring. People pay three thousand and more for a Cub, while you can buy a 8n, or 9n Ford for much less. I think they are totally useless, they are only good for cultivating. I drove one a few months ago, and it seemed like it could tip over very easily. I usually cannot talk to anyone about old tractors here in NJ, so I guess the world wide web is a great resource for tractor collectors. Prices for engines are getting to be pretty hot, you cannot find a running one for under two thousand dollars, that is even if you find one for sale. They are pretty convinent to take to shows, unlike tractors, and they are hardly ever for sale. This weekend, I have to disk with an old JD A, I cannot wait. Goodluck with the tractor hobby, I bet there is alot of unique stuff out in Wyoming. Thanks for the help.

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Baggsy

08-31-2001 06:06:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Information on a Domestic 1 1/2 Hp Engine Needed in reply to JunkMaster83, 08-30-2001 11:10:05  
Sounds like you've got alot of stuff! There might be alot of stuff out here too, but there's alot of miles in between them, and not many of the old units like you're seeing out there. The little cubs and A's are fairly high out here, but the Ford n's are OUTRAGEOUS! Everybody south of us with a couple acres are buying them up for 4 to 5 grand without even flinching. You can buy a good 40 to 60 horse machine cheaper than you can an old Ford. But they've got the three point and implements and parts are always available. I guess to each his own. The green and red dominate out here, but there's pockets of Case, Oliver, MM, and the others if you poke around long enough. Have fun discing this weekend and stay in touch...if you get real bored, drive your Oliver out to Wyoming and I'll help you trade it for a Deere! Take care now. Baggsy

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