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Wisconsin engine VF4 magneto- where to get one?

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Dave Wolf

07-27-2003 20:39:56




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I recently purchased a wisconsin vf4 engine coupled to a welder/ generator. The engine has been in the desert for YEARS, but the pistons look good, as do the bores. I put Mobile 1 motor oil in each of the cylinders to aid it in any rust that may have accumulated in there. Anyway, it doesn't have a carburetor, which the seller assures me he can get, or a magneto. The engine is not frozen, and is in reasonably good condition. Anyway, I have tried Ebay, and some internet searches, and have not had nay luck finding a magneto for it. The seller assured me these engines were as popular as grass, and parts could be had at any local K-mart (just kidding). Does anyone know of anyone who can supply a magneto, or a resource that can locate one? Any help is greatly appreciated!

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Benjamin J.Joe Browning

07-29-2003 18:56:01




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 Re: Wisconsin engine VF4 magneto- where to get one in reply to Dave Wolf, 07-27-2003 20:39:56  
Hello Dave, There are many sources for parts for your engine including magneto and starters for your engines. I sent you a email with a source. There is the factory @ 800-922-5632 Ext, #6 Ask for Hike. He is very good at helping. You should get a older manual off Ebay. They are better and usually cheaper then the new ones. They show a lot more detail. You should check out other postings on this site for other sources of parts. Ebay is uaually a good bet, Enter Wisconsin Engine and go from there. I know there is one in the Sacrameto area. Electric starters are used on these engines all the time. Starters came as a option from the factory. They are usually mounted on the opposite side from the Magneto. You might have to build a mounting bracket and weld it to the fan shoud. Then it is necessary to cut a hole to access the flywheel. Any good mechanic can do this. There are several option on Magnetos and staters and alternators/generators. Your manual will cover this. Please email me if you have any other questions. Hope this helps Benjamin J. "Joe" Browning

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Dave Wolf

08-18-2003 11:20:55




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 Re: Re: Wisconsin engine VF4 magneto- where to get in reply to Benjamin J.Joe Browning, 07-29-2003 18:56:01  
Well I am finding very cheap parts for this thing on Ebay. I have found that the connecting rods where they connect to the crankshaft have tolerances of .002-.003", a la plastigauge. I didn't torque them to spec, because I don't know the torque spec, but I tightened them pretty good. Ok now I have a question, will any old Zenith carburetor work? On ebay right now there are a bunch of them for various wisconsin engines, but non specifically for the VF-4, VE-4. Oh, and I had to pound the heck out of the exhaust valves, and bent them from the force of the blows. Is it possible I reamed out the valve guides in the cylinders? If so, will it burn oil, or anything really bad? I don't want this engine burning any oil. You guys have been a great help so far, thanks so much. Oh, and I have it completely apart, I even removed the crank.

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John McPherson

07-28-2003 08:13:31




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 Re: Wisconsin engine VF4 magneto- where to get one in reply to Dave Wolf, 07-27-2003 20:39:56  
Unless you are looking to do a "spot-on" restoration, any magneto that fits the mounting should work. I suspect that it took a Wico XH series(Common for Wisconsin engines), and those you see with gears- the gears can be removed, as the slot drive that you see on some, is actually what is engaging the gear. I actually do have an XH 4 cylinder mag in spotless condition, but somewhere in it's history the cam lobes were modified- two were ground off to make it for a 2 cylinder app ( I had been hanging onto it for parts). I do know where I can get my hands on a number of other Wico 4 cylinder mags, and can probably build one to practically new condition with what parts I have.

Parts are available at the link below, when you do find one. He also has a number of illustrations. The only application cross reference he is missing is what each magneto came from or goes to. He does have a numerical list however it does not list your engine (list is noted to be incomplete).

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If you email me with the hole center distances on your engine, as well as the diameter of the center hole, and wheather or not it uses a slot drive or gear, and which direction they are pitched, as well as well as the approximate diameter of the gear, I might have what you need. I also have a FM magneto to compare to also.

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Dave Wolf

07-28-2003 20:31:30




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 Re: Re: Wisconsin engine VF4 magneto- where to get in reply to John McPherson, 07-28-2003 08:13:31  
Hello John,

Thank you so much for replying. Unfortunately, the engine is in Yucca Valley, 120 miles away. I do, however, go up every weekend to work on a truck among other things. Next time I go up I will take measurments of those things. I have no idea how these engines are put together, but there is an area where I assume a starter should go, but the guy who sold it to me said that's where the magneto goes. I made the assumption that the electric starter doubles as a magneto/ alternator of sorts. I guess I am incorrect! So there is no such thing as electric start for this engine? I guess it's just as well. As far as I know this engine just needs the carb (Supposedly supplied), and the magneto. It would be interesting to get a manual on the engine and see how it works on paper. I will try to have some results for you by next monday, as the guy has no internet. Again, thanks for your help!

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sam

08-01-2003 17:13:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Wisconsin engine VF4 magneto- where to in reply to Dave Wolf, 07-28-2003 20:31:30  
The "oddfire" engines - VE4,VF4 - use a different magneto than the other Wisconsin V4's. The rotor turns counterclockwise, at crankshaft speed. In the even fire engines - VH4, VG4, the rotor turns clockwise at half speed. These mags have an extra gear at the rotor that reverses the rotation and provides the speed reduction.



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Dave Wolf

08-01-2003 20:09:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Wisconsin engine VF4 magneto- wher in reply to sam, 08-01-2003 17:13:56  
D'oh! Is that good or bad? I can't substitute like a different kind of magneto, or something? Anyway I'll get measurements and pictures when I go up.



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John McPherson

08-04-2003 08:02:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wisconsin engine VF4 magneto- in reply to Dave Wolf, 08-01-2003 20:09:12  
Since they do not allow one to edit the title, I bump this back to this point.

The picture is worth a thousand words. The magneto drive gear is just a single gear- the key will be to locate the timing mark, or if none, the patience to get lined up correctly. I'll email more later.

As for the head bolt- Lindsay Publications publishes/published a plan book on how to make your own "Wire EDM", and that is how you deal with pesky broken bolts, and pesky broken bolts with drill bits and "EZ outs".

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Dave Wolf

08-02-2003 08:05:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wisconsin engine VF4 magneto- in reply to Dave Wolf, 08-01-2003 20:09:12  
Hello, on ebay I found: FM XD4B7 magneto, and a Fairbanks Morse Mag # X1B7E, and a Spec # XH1295C.

Will any of these magnetos work in my VF-4?



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John McPherson

08-03-2003 11:12:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wisconsin engine VF4 magne in reply to Dave Wolf, 08-02-2003 08:05:50  
Based on part of what Sam indicated, I have your magneto, correct number, it just had two lobes ground off. Easy enough to swap.

I will email you with other details of it.



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Dave Wolf

08-03-2003 20:31:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wisconsin engine VF4 m in reply to John McPherson, 08-03-2003 11:12:20  
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Hello all, a big thanks to all who have helped. I hosed down the engine today with a HUGE pressure washer, and to my surprise and dismay, it started SPEWING oil from the hole the magneto bolts into- huh?? Well, uhh, I'm sure it's just a nearly impossible to get to seal. That's fine, every road has it's bumps, but: I broke a head bolt off of the right hand cylinder. I bought an EZ-out thing, and broke the drill bit inside the bolt. Splendid, I said! Well, not word for word, but I got the drill bit out with some pliars I ground down. Grea,t well, no really, cos I also broke the EZ-out off inside the bolt. I said nuts to this and put the head back on. Based on the debris in the cylinders I will have to take it off again anyway (Any ideas on how to get the EZ-out.. out?). So, this is starting to be a big project, but that's OK because I got the engine and welder head technically for $300, by trading an engine I paid $300 for, that is worth $600 street. I have big high voltage generator plans for it, so I will press on! Anyway, here's the info I promised: The bolts are roughly 4" center to center. The hole is roughly 3.2" or so diameter. The teeth curve DOWNwards. Instead of trying to explain it and bothing it thoroughly, I will post a pic here.


I will email those who have parts.. Thank you all!

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sam

08-02-2003 05:29:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wisconsin engine VF4 magneto- in reply to Dave Wolf, 08-01-2003 20:09:12  
It's not bad, just a way to identify the correct magneto. On the correct magneto, the rotor will be directly driven - one turn of the drive gear = one turn of the rotor. According to the VE/VF manual, a Fairbanks Morse type FM-ZV4B7 or Wico Model XH-4, type XH-1343B magneto will work.



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John McPherson

08-03-2003 10:40:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wisconsin engine VF4 magne in reply to sam, 08-02-2003 05:29:41  
Actually, the mag I mentioned initially happens to be exactly an XH-1343 B.

The opposite direction is likely indicated by the driven gear being cut with a left hand pitch instead of a right hand pitch (even though they can both run both directions- the thrust face changes side when either gear is driven one direction then the reverse), as the stub shaft beyond the slot engagement is only enough for the one gear. If there is another gear involved, it should be inside of the crankcase.

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