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Just bought a 6hp engine...Fairbanks-Morse?

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LK

08-26-2005 08:09:19




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I just bought this engine. The fellow said it is a Fairbanks Morse 6hp. I can confirm the 6hp because of the sn tag. There are faint remnants of orange paint on the engine, but the edges of the flywheels have remnants of green. What color was this originally? Does it look like a F-M?

It is in great shape. There is a broken piece in the governor that I believe I can fix. He also has a casting for this part that need to be machined, if I can't just fix the old one. No big deal.

It came with the hand crank, which I am very happy about. It seems to be in excellent condition. No cracks, or welds. Muffler is perfect. Great compression. Mag needs the spark wire attached, but will shock you when it kicks, so it seems ok. Gas tank good.

I also came with a firewood swing table cutoff saw you can see part of in the background. Wood completely rotted on it, but the iron is all there. No idea of brand on the saw. I can provide pics if anybody knows about these.

This is my first engine and I couldn't be happier!

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LK

08-28-2005 07:03:48




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 got it running! in reply to LK, 08-26-2005 08:09:19  
I was just about to try getting the engine to start for the first time yesterday, when my wife said that she wanted to go to the fair.

I decided, what the heck. The tractor show I had wanted to go to was rained out anyway.

So I go there, and before to long, I hear the unmistakable sound of a hit & miss engine.

I walk over, and there it is- my exact engine! Well almost- it was a 7hp Economy nad mine is a 6. Both are model S. But exactly like mine in every detail, except the gas filler was on the back side whereas mine is on the governor side. Amazing! I picked his brain quite a bit and got some good advice.

So, I feel pretty sure mine is an Economy. There are no bolt holes for a crank cover, which would indicate a hercules. And there are all these little remnants of red paint.

So anyway, I removed the fuel check valve, unstuck it (thanks for the suggestion Jim!), and put it all back together. It started right up!

I have a bit of slop in the rod bearing, so maybe shims need removing. But it runs great!

I did notice some out of trueness in the flywheels. Enough so that the whole trailer shakes when it is running. But I guess this is normal. There are certainly no signs of damage anywhere.

So now I just need to figure out a good shade of red. And I wonder if anybody has repoduced the decals?

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Bob

08-29-2005 09:24:42




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 Re: got it running! in reply to LK, 08-28-2005 07:03:48  
The flywheels should not wobble much. The crank may have got bent a little, or one (or both) of the flywheels may have gotten smacked. The worry here is that the flywheels are cast iron, and if there is a crack somewhere, it could lead to a nasty catastrophic failure. Check with a dial indicator to see if the "out of true" condition is in the crankshaft. If it is not, and a flywheel is damaged, I'd be real leary of running it.

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LK

08-27-2005 06:12:59




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 Hercules or Economy- paint source? in reply to LK, 08-26-2005 08:09:19  
Thanks for the info, guys. It is strange that the seller just assumed it was a F-M. The machine was in his Wife's family for years and years, and I guess the guess of the mfr became "fact" after a while.

I agree that the cooling tank has the flared up inlet that seems to be characteristic of Hercules. The link is to a pic of what appears to be the exact engine.

It is curious though that it was clearly painted reddish orange everywhere (like an Economy)except the flywheels, which have green traces (like a hercules). Perhaps they just repainted it at some point.

A lot can happen to a machine in 90 years...

So- where can I find the correct color paint for this saw? I'd like to get as close to original as possible. Somebody must have researched this.

BTW- last night I fixed the broken governor piece and I'm going to try to get it going today! Woohoo!

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NL

08-27-2005 11:45:29




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 Re: Hercules or Economy- paint source? in reply to LK, 08-27-2005 06:12:59  
Seems a can of JD green darkened up a bit is what you need according to the link.



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NL

08-26-2005 18:03:35




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 Re: Just bought a 6hp engine...Fairbanks-Morse? in reply to LK, 08-26-2005 08:09:19  
It's a Hercules 6hp model S. Economy engines had a more squared off hopper.



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Bob

08-26-2005 09:34:07




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 Re: Just bought a 6hp engine...Fairbanks-Morse? in reply to LK, 08-26-2005 08:09:19  
It's NOT an FM. Looks to be a 6HP "Economy".

Sears sold the Economy line.

Here's a link to an Economy engine site found on the 'net:



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