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3.8 Litre Ford Cooling Sys problem

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James Woodward

02-16-2002 17:08:32




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Opened up the radiator cap when cold and water came gushing out, pressure build up in cooling system. Anybody know about this, head gasket maybe?




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Jon Kraatz

02-20-2002 01:04:44




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 Re: 3.8 Litre Ford Cooling Sys problem in reply to James Woodward, 02-16-2002 17:08:32  
If there is pressure enough in your cooling system to make coolant gush out when the radiator is opened cold, the problem is the thermostat being stuck or another obstruction in the cooling system. ( the water pump is over pressuring the system without a releif or flow ) If the head gasket were blown or defective, the overflow bottle would be overfilled also and full of contaminated coolant. If the overflow bottle is fine, the problem is an obstruction, most likely the thermostat. You didn't mention whether the engine was running hot or not and whether there was coolant present in the oil ( milky brown film ). A head gasket can be blown without either of these happening, but it doesn't happen often. These engines got quite a bad reputation because a small percentage of them were built with a defective gasket. This gasket was not made by Ford. The original TSB issued by Ford about this problem referenced a replacement gasket set from Fel-Pro that solves the problem. The real issue of the lawsuit was not the defect. All automobile and equipment manufacturers sometimes supply machinery with defective parts from their suppliers. The issue was the poor way in which Ford handled the problem with customers. I have always beleived that when you pay more for a car than I paid for my first home, you sholdn't have to argue with the dealer over whose fault it is the head gaskets don't seal. I know I will probably get flamed over calling the head gasket problem a small number of cars. I know it is not a small problem to the owner of the vehicle. But Ford equips approx. 500,000 cars and light trucks per year with the 3.8 engine for over 15 years and has a problem with only 35-40,000 ? Do the math ..... that is way less than 1% of the units supplied with defective parts. Several people mentioned problems with the head bolts of these engines losing torque or breaking. Welcome to the 21st century ! This is a problem I see every day with the aluminum heads, torque to yield fasteners and poor assembly practices. This is a common problem to almost all Ford, GM and Chrysler products since 1999.

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Glenn(WV)

02-17-2002 12:03:05




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 Re: 3.8 Litre Ford Cooling Sys problem in reply to James Woodward, 02-16-2002 17:08:32  
I had a T-bird with the 3.8 V6. I got well over 100,000 miles out of that engine with no head gasket problems whatsoever. The problem was that the gasket manufacturer started cutting corners while making the gaskets, and it cost them. The gasket manufacturer admitted as much in court. Ford had a program to pay for repairs, including a replacement engine if necessary. Call the Ford dealer and see if the program is still in effect.

A friend of mine has had four Mustangs since 1994 - all with the 3.8 - and he has not had one head gasket problem. He even had one overheat on him, but that was due to a bad thermostat. Between them, I'd guess he's put over 225,000 miles on them without head gasket problems. There were head gasket problems with those engines, but it's not as widespread as it appears. I read somewhere that there were around 25,000 - 40,000 cars affected with the gasket problem(admittedly, a lot of cars!). It's just that the owners were very vocal about the problems, the news media blew it out of proportion, and the LAWYERS got involved. The 3.8 started production in 1982 and the problems started surfacing with 1993-1994 model year cars.

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Denny Frisk

02-17-2002 16:29:29




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 Re: Re: 3.8 Litre Ford Cooling Sys problem in reply to Glenn(WV), 02-17-2002 12:03:05  
It Figures it would be the '93's that had the problem! I had a '93! I got rid of the car with only 91,000 miles with the head gaskets still intact.. but there were other "Issues" with the car... Mostly the Dealer! Thanks for the Info Glenn.. Your right about "Vocal Owners" AND the LAWYERS as well!



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Denny Frisk

02-16-2002 21:21:30




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 Re: 3.8 Litre Ford Cooling Sys problem in reply to James Woodward, 02-16-2002 17:08:32  
The 3.8L V-6 Ford was famous for blowing head gaskets. Most never made it past 100,000 miles and some blew as earlt as 25,000 miles. That's what happens with alum. heads and only 4 head bolts per cylinder.



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MarkNOhio

02-16-2002 21:44:44




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 Re: Re: 3.8 Litre Ford Cooling Sys problem in reply to Denny Frisk, 02-16-2002 21:21:30  
But not ALL of them are bad. I sold mt '93 Taurus, which I bought new, to my brother with 165K miles on it. Just talked to him today and it just rolled over 250K with absolutely NO major engine work. In fact, the valve covers have never been off.



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Glenn(WV)

02-16-2002 20:10:51




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 Re: 3.8 Litre Ford Cooling Sys problem in reply to James Woodward, 02-16-2002 17:08:32  
If the head gasket was blown, I'd expect to see coolant in the oilpan. It sounds like you may have a cooling system blockage somewhere. I am also wondering if perhaps your radiator cap has gone bad.



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Farmer/Paul

02-16-2002 20:44:17




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 Re: Re: 3.8 Litre Ford Cooling Sys problem in reply to Glenn(WV), 02-16-2002 20:10:51  
The 3.8 Ford is a real pain in the rump.The head gasket goes bad. Ford has a recall on them if you have less than 100,000 miles. I hope it is not in a Windstar mini van. The motor and trans axle needs to come out the bottom. My brother in law just had the pleasure, it cost him 1200 dollars Canadian. You can find more info about this at Mark Kw's web site...I made a post about the same problem recently.

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chainsaw

02-17-2002 13:21:17




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 Re: Re: Re: 3.8 Litre Ford Cooling Sys problem in reply to Farmer/Paul, 02-16-2002 20:44:17  
Hello, I just read all of the posts about the 3.8
Lt. I own a 96 windstar since new, that now has
85,000 miles. Will ford replace the head gasket
now ? or not ? Thanks to all for any answers.
By the way, this engine is very strong, it surprised me with it's quickness. chainsaw



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Glenn(WV)

02-17-2002 19:31:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 3.8 Litre Ford Cooling Sys problem in reply to chainsaw, 02-17-2002 13:21:17  
Chainsaw, I suggest talking to your dealer about it. The original Ford spec for those gaskets stipulated that they should last 120,000 miles with regular engine maintenance and normal(read: not abused or high-mileage) vehicle use. Nearly all of the gasket failure cases I've read about occured with vehicle mileage running between 25,000 and 60,000 miles. I have heard of one case where the gaskets blew at 95,000 miles, though. If you are concerned, by all means get it checked out!

I agree that the 3.8 in a front-wheel-drive application make for one quick car! At one time, I had a '94 Taurus with the 3.8. It was a bit of a challenge keeping it below 80 on the interstate. It wanted to GO!

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