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Steve

04-12-2002 07:59:51




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Seems like all of my 2 cycle tools require different ratios of oil- 25:1, 40:1, 32:1, and 50:1... Is there a reason for this? Do I need differnts gas cans for each or is there a happy medium I can use for all. I don't want to tear anything up, but 1 gas can would really help. Also any recommendations on the best oil would be appreciated.
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tom ott

04-11-2004 19:53:17




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 Re: 2 cycle oil ratio in reply to Steve, 04-12-2002 07:59:51  
i want to know how much oil to put in my echo weed wacker. I have 1 gallon of gas and i can't find out how much to put in. so far, all i can figure out is to ut in 8 ounces. i thought that was to much. Please respond, i really need help. Thanks



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Mike D

04-13-2002 13:12:55




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 Re: 2 cycle oil ratio in reply to Steve, 04-12-2002 07:59:51  
Al English is on the money, It's the oil used, not the equipment. It is worth noting that changing the mix also changes the viscosity of the fuel, this in turn changes the air-fuel ratio, requiring a carb adj. pick your oil and mix then adj. your carb and stick with it!
Hope this helps, Mike



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Glenn(WV)

04-12-2002 21:44:29




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 Re: 2 cycle oil ratio in reply to Steve, 04-12-2002 07:59:51  
We have two Lawn-Boy push mowers(a 1974 model and a 1978 model). We have used only Lawn-Boy oil mixed 32:1 with gas(one can of oil per two gallons of gas) and we have never had a fuel-related problem. We also have two Green Machines - a 1980 model and a 1987 model - which use a 32:1 mix using One Mix, and they've been great, too. We also have a two-cycle Homelite blower, and there's been no fuel problems with it.

Like Ford Man, we've never drained the gas out of them for storage nor winterized them. We do take them to the shop for a tune-up every two or three years, but that's basically it. I'll never buy another lawn mower/weed eater/blower with a four-cycle engine. Love those two-cycle engines!!!

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Ford Man

04-12-2002 19:00:05




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 Re: 2 cycle oil ratio in reply to Steve, 04-12-2002 07:59:51  
Steve,
I run 32:1 mix in all of my 2 cycle motors and have never had a problem . The recomended mixes for my stuff runs from 32:1 to 40:1 . I use whatever brand is in the store when I need it . I have been using my weedeaters and chainsaws for 10+ years like this and have never had to do anything to them . I never drain the gas , never do any winterizing and have never had a problem !

Lucky ?

Ford Man

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Rory

04-12-2002 12:22:57




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 Re: 2 cycle oil ratio in reply to Steve, 04-12-2002 07:59:51  
Hmmmmm , maybe I need to consider this again.



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Al English

04-12-2002 11:37:24




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 Re: 2 cycle oil ratio in reply to Steve, 04-12-2002 07:59:51  
Hi Steve,

With one exception, it is the oil being used, and not the engine, that determines the mixing ratio. If you have an oil that can be mixed as lean as 30:1, that’s the limit for that oil. If the max is 60:1, then that’s the limit. The penalty for using a "richer"(more) oil mix than the oil manufacturer specifies is slightly less power, shorter plug life, and faster accumulation of carbon deposits. Using a "leaner"(less) oil mixture than the oil manufacturer recommends can, if the engine is configured to benefit from it, make more power. But that leaner than recommended oil ratio will also shorten the engine’s life.

I mentioned an exception. If your saw has one or more plain bearings(bushings) rather than all ball, roller, or needle bearings, you must use the traditional 16:1 type 2-cycle oil, mixed at the 16:1 ratio. Unless you have a very old saw, it will not have any plain bearings.

Rory, I apologize for disagreeing with you, but those super lean(I don’t like mixtures less that about 60:1) and/or synthetic 2-cycle oils have some drawbacks. Although they are easier on plugs, can allow a little more power to me made, and produce minimal deposits, they also shorten engine life. At this point the better synthetic 4-cycle oils pretty much equal or better traditional mineral oil. But two-cycle lubrication is a completely different matter. Although they understandably don’t advertise this fact, the manufacturers of synthetic 2-cycle oils know your engine won’t last as long as it would using a good “conventional” 2-cycle oil. A rep. from one of the biggest synthetic 2-cycle oil manufacturers admitted to me that their testing shows engine life using their oil was about 60% of what it would be using a conventional oil. Beyond that, some of them don’t prevent corrosion. I have repaired several two-cycle engines that have spent a winter in an unheated garage and had their piston(s) rusted into their bores as a result of using synthetic oil. One of these engines still had a noticeable oil(synthetic) film on them. Based on both my own experience, and what I have heard from others, I would not use synthetic 2-cycle oil unless I had a definite reason for doing it. Good luck...Al English

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Rory

04-12-2002 08:59:08




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 Re: 2 cycle oil ratio in reply to Steve, 04-12-2002 07:59:51  
I use synthetic 2 cycle oil in all of my 2-cycle engines. It is mixed per the oil instructions at 100:1 that is 1.28 oz oil per gallon of gas. I mix it a gallon at a time to make sure the gas stays fresh. It is a little pricy per bottle but it protects better and you don't use nearly as much. I think the brand I have been using is Opti-One but the AmsOil 100:1 is excelent as well.

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Steven@nd

04-12-2002 11:41:40




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 Re: Re: 2 cycle oil ratio in reply to Rory, 04-12-2002 08:59:08  
Yep, our neighbor ran Amsoil at 100:1 in his outboard engine that was designed to run 100:1 with any oil and burned it up in a week. We used Amsoil in our pickup once too and burned the engine up in a month.

Synthetic oils don't work for us. I use name brand conventional oil in everything that matters, and Wally World oil in stuff that doesn't matter. Haven't had a problem with conventional.

Steven

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T_Bone

04-12-2002 16:35:13




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 Re: Re: Re: 2 cycle oil ratio in reply to Steven@nd, 04-12-2002 11:41:40  
Along those same lines, Back in the late 70's a friend went on a Yellowstone winter snowmobile trip that took them to different cabins to stay in each night. He was using a Amsoil mix and the next morning they started out and he got about 3 miles and his engine seezed up. Had to have a buddy tow him in and they took it to a local repair shop. The oil had seprated out of the gas overnight because the low tempatures. According to the shop they had seen this several times with synthetics and at the time there was two available, Amsoil and Mobil and neither would stay mixed in cold weather.

He never could get Amsoil to cough up the money for the new engine as Amsoil said that could never happen with there oil. Expensive leason learned!

T_Bone

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