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paul

05-29-2002 12:04:30




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Ok, this old farm place is wired with a 60 amp service, and 1950's fuse boxes (1 15 or 20) per building. I'm looking to upgrade some things at least and looking for general info, not a detailed manual. I understand safty issues involved, & don't want to take people down that path again... ;) I'm more dreaming & fussing at this point.

So, those 30 amp, 2 circit breaker box/ load center units seem to be popular sellers around here. The farm is wired with 6ga Aluminimn or 8ga copper (proper al connectors) which seems to beat the 10ga requirement for a 30 amp box right? Do those boxes support a total of 30 amp output, as in 2 15 amp circuts? They would not support 2 20 amp circuts, correct? Just want my thinking right. Difficult to bother a real electrician with such thinking, & the college kid at the warehouse place would know less than me...

--->Paul

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Hal/WA

05-29-2002 22:03:19




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 Re: 30 amp electrical box in reply to paul, 05-29-2002 12:04:30  
I suggest buying the book "Wiring Simplified" which is a paperback stocked in most home centers electrical area. You can read the whole book in a couple of hours and it answers a lot of questions you might have about doing wiring jobs yourself. Whatever you do, be safe and make sure you have good grounds. Most of the electrical code is just common sense. Don't work on wiring that is electrified--turn it off first, every time! I have wired all of my buildings and most of my house with no problems at all. You can too.

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chris mf35

05-29-2002 14:59:00




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 Re: 30 amp electrical box in reply to paul, 05-29-2002 12:04:30  
they go 30 amps per leg. if constant load, over 4 hours, it's 80% of breaker rating. might price 6,8 or twelve circuit panels,usually not much more. use a two pole thirty (backfed) for a main, the the other spaces could feed other stuff in shed.the bigger panels are most rated 125 amp max and run about $13.00 for indoor or $23.00 for outdoor in a "GE" brand. hope this helps.



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T_Bone

05-29-2002 12:34:18




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 Re: 30 amp electrical box in reply to paul, 05-29-2002 12:04:30  
Hi Paul,

Depends on what you want to use in your shop when you get done. It's not going to cost alot more to do a 100amp service(if need) than a 30amp sub-feed. You can do more with the 100amp in the long run.

The AL wire is good for overhead utility feed before the meter. I personally would never use it after the meter as it causes to many headaches down the road and thats using the correct Al to CU connectors. Cu is a much better choice.

Now if your talking house and farm out buildings then it could get expensive for a rewire but most local codes will allow you to do the change in steps so it's not so much cash out lay at one time. The service is usually one inspection and the out building another inspection.

Since you have an exisiting 60amp service, pre-check with the building dept to see what is required if you up grade to 100amp or 200amp. You can also check with the elec utility for the same info without names being asked.

Sometimes the utility will make you upgrade the service if the out buildings require more than 50% rewire.

T_Bone

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paul

05-30-2002 05:13:10




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 Re: Re: 30 amp electrical box in reply to T_Bone, 05-29-2002 12:34:18  
Thanks guys. I've got the Wiring Simplified, and I get the safty concepts & grounding vs nuetral concepts & all that. Copper is better, dad added 1 run of overhead al wire & actually got the right clamps. Power company is a pretty nice rural coop, work with a person...

This farm place has 3 wiring overhead runs to various buildings (shop/ barn/ old building/ corncrib; possible shop/ grainery/ machinery storage/ machinery storage/ deep well - another nicest shed has no electricity at all (dad built in 1964 & never wired) would be on this line; and a run to the house. All are 220 overhead runs on 1950's wire, altho only the end buildings actually use 220 - most are tapping only 1 leg.

'Someday' I would like to get the 200 or 400 amp service, underground wiring, a breakerbox in the house, and do the simpler indoor outbuilding wiring myself. I wish money were no object, but it very seriously is. So, I'm in the daydreaming & planning stages. :) Several of the sheds don't need more power (dirt floor, only storage) but could use a better outlet/ lighting plan (switches & outlets don't last forever - better to replace be4 the fire!). Looking to do what I can at this time, keeping the big plan in mind. :)

Square D is 'everywhere' here, don't see much GE stuff on the shelves....

Thanks again,
--->Paul

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G Taylor

05-31-2002 21:12:04




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 Re: Re: Re: 30 amp electrical box in reply to paul, 05-30-2002 05:13:10  
If the supply cable to the out buildings is 60 amp then use at least 60 amp disconnects & distribution panals. No use down sizing and wishing for more power in the future. The existing receptacles are likely two prong without grounds. Driving a ground rod(s) at each service & at wiring in least two separate circuits of duplex receptacles plus a separate light circuit will always be handy/safe.

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paul

06-03-2002 09:18:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 30 amp electrical box in reply to G Taylor , 05-31-2002 21:12:04  
Pretty much the course (& situation) I am planning on, thanks. Couple of these buildings are only a light & 15 amp outlet, all they ever need, but otherwise yup, don't want to undersize. :)

--->Paul



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