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3020MSS

07-20-2002 09:48:50

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Looking to buy a Welder system. Any suggestions. The more equipment I buy the more I seem to be needing one..haha Ive been looking into the 230 stick welders....Lincoln Elect. Holbert...ect. any suggestions?? thanks

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shoe

07-21-2002 21:45:50

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Re: Welders in reply to 3020MSS, 07-20-2002 09:48:50

Unless your full time professional welder, the little 225 ac/dc lincoln would be a good choice for the money.

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wrenchman

07-20-2002 22:38:51

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Re: Welders in reply to 3020MSS, 07-20-2002 09:48:50

look into an ac/dc 225 by lincoln electric...good welders at a reasonable price...im quite pleased with mine...feller just can't have too many toys er tools...lol...

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T_Bone

07-21-2002 01:28:06

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Re: Re: Welders in reply to wrenchman, 07-20-2002 22:38:51

wrenchman is right on if your not to be a professional welder(full-time). Your wanting a good AC/DC machine with a 20% duty cycle that has around 150amps DC. This will let you run 1/8" 7018 an 6010 both excellant all around welding electrodes and can use a stratch start Tig set-up.

Both Linclon and Miller build great welding machines with adaquote arc stability.

T_Bone

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Dan

07-21-2002 01:54:52

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Re: Re: Re: Welders in reply to T_Bone, 07-21-2002 01:28:06

I second what T Bone stated. However, if it is between Hobart or Lincoln I would go with the Hobart. The one thing that I dislike about Lincoln buzzboxes is the 10 to 15 amp jump that there tapped amperage selector switch gives you. The Hobart machine gives you the ability to select whatever amperage you want between the minimum and maximum capability of the machine. The other problem with Lincoln is the DC side is only 125 amps.

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bob

07-21-2002 14:40:15

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Welders in reply to Dan, 07-21-2002 01:54:52

why not go for a wire welder. so much easier, cleaner, smoother weld. if you want to go stick try a miller. it is a dial amps so you can go up or down anything you want. i have a miller thunderbolt ac/dc and have used it for 15 years. i still get it out after i got my miller 200 wire welder just to stay in practice. by the way, miller and hobart are the same now.

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Matt

07-21-2002 18:07:00

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welders in reply to bob, 07-21-2002 14:40:15

Those Miller Thunderbolts are nice little units for the home hobbist. They offer infinate heat control unlike the Lincoln AC/DC. We have one at work and it has stood up well. We also set up a sratch arc TIG torch on it for welding Stainless.
When I last priced them, they were about the same price as the Lincoln. Good Luck.

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Tom Miller

07-21-2002 22:30:30

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welders in reply to Matt, 07-21-2002 18:07:00

If you are going to be doing lots of welding, I would go find a larger welder so you have the capacity. I have tried that 150 amp stuff and they burn out. So what I did is I went to the local High School Agriculture Dept. and asked if they had anything to get rid of (For safety reasons). I ended up getting a 295amp Century Welder for $100. That welder will do anything that I want, cut, weld, heat, notch etc. There is no way that welder will burn out. That welder that I burnt out was a Miller.

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T_Bone

07-22-2002 02:58:00

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welders in reply to Tom Miller, 07-21-2002 22:30:30

Hi Tom,

I don't understand your welding machine burnout. Explain that a bit more.

T_Bone

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Tom Miller

07-22-2002 21:59:46

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welders in reply to T_Bone, 07-22-2002 02:58:00

When I do lots of welding on one setting, I will notice when I come to change settings, the machine will stick in that position. When I had that smaller welder, I was doing a large amount of work when I noticed that I was not getting the weld that i was getting before. Then I saw that in the corner of my eye that there were sparks coming from the machine. I shut down and opened it up and saw that I had melted most of the connections inside and plugs on the outside were welded together. I think that the welder was not properly rated.

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T_Bone

07-23-2002 05:58:45

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welders in reply to Tom Miller, 07-22-2002 21:59:46

Hi tom,

That probably was caused from bad or loose conections rather from duty cycle. I've used a few small amp machines that cycled on there auto-reset duty cycle and never had a problem. They just shut off and after cooling for awhile, about 1/2hr reset themselfs.

Something I have seen is someone flipping the amp control dial up or down while a guy was welding. That will smoke a amp control really fast.

T_Bone

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Dan

07-21-2002 23:20:08

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welders in reply to Tom Miller, 07-21-2002 22:30:30

Tom,
Sounds like you have the same machine as I do. It is 295 amps AC and 250 amps DC. Got mine out of a second hand store for $225. Came with a new Hi frequency unit. It has been a real good machine. Have had it for 10 yrs now. I also have a 250 amp AC/DC Century too. It too has been a very good machine. Personally I too would only buy machines in this size range, but if you can t find them used the drawback for alot of people is going to be the $600 price tag.

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T_Bone

07-22-2002 02:55:27

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welders in reply to Dan, 07-21-2002 23:20:08

Hi Dan,

What brand of machine are you finding new for 250amp DC for $600? Thats a good deal!

T_Bone

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Dan

07-22-2002 14:24:56

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welders in reply to T_Bone, 07-22-2002 02:55:27

T Bone
For $600, it is only going to be a heavy duty buzzbox. Mine is a 250 amp AC/DC Century. To me it runs 6010 or 7018 as good as any of the larger industrial Miller or Lincoln machines that I have ran. I buy all my machines from my local supplier, but price all of them on the net, so that I can find the lowest price available. My local supplier will beat anyones price that I bring to them. Anyway, WWW.BRWELDERS.COM sells my Century model #84250 for $569. WWW.WELDINGMART.COM sells a Miller Thunderbolt XL 300 amp AC/ 200 amp DC for $602. Both machines are 20% duty cycle, at there max amperage. Which in my opinion is going to be plenty of duty cycle for the average home user, and give them enough current for 5/32" rods. These days, the only use my machine actually sees is repair work on my dad's farm machinery. Most of my fabrication anymore is done with one of my MIG machines.

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T_Bone

07-23-2002 06:11:46

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welders in reply to Dan, 07-22-2002 14:24:56

Hi Dan,

Couldn't get the WWW.BRWELDERS.COM website. Did you spell it correct?

The other website did have some good prices. I looked around a bit and the Thunderbolt XL is a good buy for a 200amp machine. For $200 difference of the Lincoln AC/DC 125amp to the XL, I would get the XL.

I don't think a guy needs anything more than a machine that will burn 1/8" rod for general home shop use. The XL would have about a 50% dutycycle for 1/8" rod and thats will do what most farm/home shop guys will need.

T_Bone

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Dan

07-24-2002 04:01:46

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welders in reply to T_Bone, 07-23-2002 06:11:46

T Bone Sorry about that. It should be WWW.BRWELDER.COM
The addition of the S must have been one of those subconscious things. One welding machine is never enough. Anyway , they have pretty fare prices and also sell on E bay. However, none of these internet site has ever beat my local supplier. For example today I ordered an Econotig from my supplier and got it for $1135, which is $35 to $40 cheaper then any site on the net. I know it is not a lot but it is still money that doesn t leave my pocket. Besides, if you add to this the $40 that he has dropped off the price of my MM 210, HH 175, and Hypertherm powermax 380 plasma cutter, it comes out to $160 saved over buying from the lowest price sites on the net.
Basically what Im trying to state with this is that people buying this welding equipment might save themselves some money by printing out these low internet prices and take them to you local supplier and see what there willing to do to get your business. There prices can become quite flexible real fast.

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