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1/4 New Britian ratchet guts wanted

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Randy

08-07-2002 12:10:50




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IF anyone knows of new or used guts for an old centimental ratchet of mine I'd pay new price for them. The ratchet was a wedding gift believe it or not and is a "pet wrench". I'v been looking for guts for years. NAPA gave me replacements but they didn't fit. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Randy.




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John Garner

08-12-2002 19:02:53




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 Re: 1/4 New Britian ratchet guts wanted in reply to Randy, 08-07-2002 12:10:50  
Randy --

How about providing more information . . . maybe a model number, a general description of the ratchet, and maybe some idea of when it was built. New Britain's hand tool division was in business for a long time and produced several different ratchet designs. The most recent, produced from the 1960's through the end of production in 1984 or so, featured a round head with a 45-tooth sliding "single-pawl" mechanism; the next earlier model was also a round head, but it had more teeth (if I recall correctly, 60 teeth) and used a double-ended oscillating pawl. Earlier models were oval-head models.

In the later years the same ratchet mechanisms were used in the higher-grade New Britain and Blackhawk branded ratchets AND in the lower-priced Husky and Sparta branded ratchets AND in the ratchets that New Britain Hand Tool built for JC Penney under the Penncraft brand . . . and probably other private-labelled tools too. So if you can't find new parts, there's a fair chance that you can find a donor ratchet at a garage sale or flea market.

By the way, have you tried taking your ratchet apart and cleaning it thoroughly? A build-up of dirt and grease is a sure way to make a ratchet malfunction. I've "repaired" dozens of non-working ratchets with nothing more than a toothbrush, cleaning solvent and the tools needed to disassemble and reassemble the ratchet.

John

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Randy

08-23-2002 09:16:21




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 Re: Re: 1/4 New Britian ratchet guts wanted in reply to John Garner, 08-12-2002 19:02:53  
HI John:
I really appreciate the knowledge you have taken time to share. Your are by far the most informed that I've spoken with. I truely appreciate your reply. I will take it apart this evening and make some notes and get back here. With all the possible vendors to now follow up with, I am again encourged.
Thanks very much, Randy.
PS The detent ball has worked free of the drive, I don't see anyway of repairing. Suggestions are welcome though!

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John Garner

08-23-2002 20:49:03




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 Re: Re: Re: 1/4 New Britian ratchet guts wanted in reply to Randy, 08-23-2002 09:16:21  
Randy --

The detent balls of standard (non-quick-release) are almost always simply staked into their holes. The toolmaker drills the hole a bit over the ball diameter, puts a short spring and the ball into the hole, and then pushes the ball into the hole while peening around the hole just enough to make the mouth of the hole too small for the ball to pass through.

If you still have the original ball and spring, or can find suitable substitutes, you may be able to repair your ratchet yourself. A C-clamp or even a pair of Vise-Grip pliers can be used to hold the ball in place, being sure that the clamp covers only a bit more than half of the hole so that you have room for a centerpunch. Make a divot around the outside of the hole to squeeze just a bit of the hole mouth closed, then move the clamp and make another centerpunch divot. Usually 3 or 4 divots spaced around the hole will hold the ball in, but you need to fill in between those 3 or 4 punchmarks to have a lasting repair.

If you have a lathe, you can make a circular punch that will more-closely duplicate the factory peening. The punch itself wants to have a bit of a recess in the end so that the ball itself can be used to locate the punch, but the recess needs to be shallow enough that the ball is held inside the hole when the drive-tang hole is peened.

I've fitted retainer plates to hold retainer balls in large-drive-size tools, but I don't think that approach is practical for a 1/4 inch drive.

Another thought: Are you by any chance a regular Snap-On customer or do you friends with a Snap-On dealer? I don't know if they still do, but Snap-On dealers used to have a set of tool-repair tools, including the circular peening punches, so that they could repair Snap-On tools that lost the retainer balls. Often, a "friendly" Snap-On dealer would replace lost retainer balls on other-brand tools for his customers as a good-will gesture.

And one more: Do you know any Mac dealer that's been in business for years and years? I've heard reports that Mac used to source some of their smaller round-head ratchets from New Britain, and even that some Mac dealers sold Blackhawk tools as an economy line. An old-timer Mac dealer may have a dust collector repair kit that'll fit your ratchet.

I'll look forward to hearing what you find out about your ratchet mechanism, and maybe we can come up with a solution to your problem.

I've already looked through my stuff, and unfortunately I can't come up with a 1/4-inch drive New Britain ratchet mechanism of any sort.

John

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Randy

08-24-2002 12:33:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1/4 New Britian ratchet guts wanted in reply to John Garner, 08-23-2002 20:49:03  
Hi John:
I appreciate your time to make the informative post!! I did at one time consider attempting a repair but I guess I kinda talked myself out of it based on the probable hardness of the drive. Would you think a quality punch would be of greater hardness than the drive that I would be peening. I considered possibly using a cobalt drill blank (if I could find one, I know where to get HSS blanks but would have to further investigate the availability of carbide or cobalt) as a punch/peening tool. Also too, as you alluded to, and I suspect you sispisioned, I am a good customer of the local SnapOn dealer, and also neighbors with an ex-Mac dealer and now District Rep for Matco. I will ask them about a repair tool!! That would be super neat if it could be repaired! And yes, I've long since lost the check ball and spring but I would think that should be no big deal.
Where did you become so informed about tools? Are you a hobbiest or do you have professional background? It's kinda funny how tool guys seek one anther out isn't it. Most of my best and longest friends are tool guys. And they come from all walks of life. That's probably because we all enjoy the satisfaction of doing something ourselves. And that takes TOOLS. And more TOOLS!! Fortunently my wife understands. (You have to do things for them occasionally and they will begin to accept the rational).
Anyway, again, good input! I truely appreciate you time spent with my problem. I've enjoyed writing you.
Randy.

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John Garner

08-28-2002 12:43:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1/4 New Britian ratchet guts wanted in reply to Randy, 08-24-2002 12:33:15  
Randy --

I'm a mechanics' tool junkie. Worked as a gas jockey back in 1971 and the boss took me under his wing and showed me how to do tune-ups, letting me use his tools. I started wondering why some of his otherwise-identical tools had different brand names . . . such as Blackhawk and New Britain ratchets, Indestro and Duro-Chrome sockets, and Proto and P&C combination wrenches. Once I took the ratchets apart and realized that they had the same mechanism design and that the New Britain ratchet worked just as well with the Blackhawk "innerds" as it did with its own, I was hooked.

John

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JoeK

08-09-2002 07:00:58




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 Re: 1/4 New Britian ratchet guts wanted in reply to Randy, 08-07-2002 12:10:50  
Dunno if it will help ya much but New Britain Tools is still in business.Currently their biggest selling line is the "Husky" brand,which I believe is sold by Home Depot and others.



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