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350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why?

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rossow (mn)

09-17-2002 11:49:06




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I saw lots of good replies a few items down regarding oil in a 350 Chevy, so here's another question for you. I've got an older Blazer with a 350 V-8 -- a factory reconditioned engine, I was told, with only a few thousand (maybe 8,000) miles on it (and I have receipts that seem to verify this). It goes through a quart of oil every 400 or so miles at freeway speed. I don't notice obvious leaks on the garage floor and don't see much beyond the usual oil/grease underneath. I haven't checked compression. (I don't drive it much.) Here's my question: If this 350 is burning that much oil rather than leaking at driving speed, shouldn't I be seeing a huge cloud of blue smoke? Shouldn't I have a gunked-up, cruddy tailpipe? Shouldn't i be underpowered? I see no smoke (not even the valve-guide smoke at startup) -- not even when I step on it fairly hard. The tailpipe is reasonably clean. I know I need to do some more checking, but what's your best guess -- (a) leak under pressure, or (b) bad internals (e.g., rings that never seated properly)? I'm just curious about your armchair diagnosis. Thanks, guys.

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Gary

09-22-2002 16:11:01




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 Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to rossow (mn), 09-17-2002 11:49:06  
Good old Chevy its your main seal typical chevy also it is leaking at the tappet covers in the back aint seen one yet that doesnt.



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Kevin

09-19-2002 13:35:26




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 Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to rossow (mn), 09-17-2002 11:49:06  
My order of probabilities:
improper draining of oil from valve covers
loose oil filter
loose oil plug
cylinder wall glaze, however, everyone of these smoked a little at idle after a long hard day or at least puffed a little on hot restarts



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Mark

09-18-2002 17:05:27




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 Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to rossow (mn), 09-17-2002 11:49:06  
Try changing brands/ weight of oil. My Chevy service truck used oil when it was new and was using 2 quarts in 3000 miles. I changed from the recomended 10w-30 to 15-40 Rotella and it didnīt use another drop in over 200,000 miles. Might be worth a try.



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Jerry B

09-18-2002 07:17:12




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 Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to rossow (mn), 09-17-2002 11:49:06  
No more oil than you are using, you will not see smoke as you drive. The only time you will see smoke at start-up is when the valve guide seals are leaking and letting the oil get into the combustion chamber and/or the exhaust port. In 1985 Chevy stopped putting seals on the valve guides and after several thousand miles, the engine would smoke slightly at sart-up. Installing valve guide seals stops the smoking at start-up.

Chevys only need about 30-45 pounds of oil pressure at highway speeds. Any more than that and you run the chance of oil loss around the rings as they will be forced to deal with too much oil.

Also you could be filling the valve cover area will oil. Lacking valve guide seals invites oil consumption around the giudes. Make sure the drains at each end of the head are not plugged. I have found oil bottle caps in the drains.

Remove the PCV valve hose and see if there is oil in it. Too much oil pressure can create an oil fog in the rocker covers and the PCV Valve will pull some of it out and into the intake.

There are no "oil galleys" between the EGR valve and the intake. However, the lifter valley is within 1/4" of the intake runners and have been known to leak a little there. But if it leaks there you should also seepage around the bolts and puddles on the intake.

If the intake leaks at the rear you will find oil covering the rear of the engine and the bell housing area of the transmission. The same is true for the oil presure sending unit as it is located at the back of the engine also. Should the rear seal be leaking, you will find oil dripping from the drain hole in the bottom of the torque converter cover.


I would be willing to bet that the rings were not seated correctly during break-in. They since have glazed the cylinder wall and reseating isn't likely to happen unless you rehone the walls.

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Trucker

09-20-2002 23:42:18




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 Re: Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to Jerry B, 09-18-2002 07:17:12  
It might have a high volume oil pump on it after the rebuild,which would pump way too much oil into the valve covers and probobly down the valve guides.You might not see it smoke untill it gets worse.Rings could be on wrong,might not be the right size,might not be the right rings.Cylinders might be out of tolerance,but I think it would smoke with most of those situations.It might have more oil than it wants.Sometimes a motor will throw a quart of oil out,and not use any more.Could be a lot of things.

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MarkB

09-17-2002 18:29:58




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 Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to rossow (mn), 09-17-2002 11:49:06  
A couple of possibilities:

1. Leaky gasket at the rear of the intake manifold, due to improper installation.

2. Leaky oil pressure sending unit.

Both of these won't leak much when cold, but will blow oil like crazy at highway speeds.

If it's burning oil, I'd expect you would see smoke at startup.



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John R

09-17-2002 15:44:37




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 Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to rossow (mn), 09-17-2002 11:49:06  
I think everybody missed this one. Chevy 350's are notorious for intake manifold gasket leaks. If the gasket between the EGR valve and the oil galley goes bad, it will suck oil into the engine and burn it. I have seen it many times. If it happens suddenly, all the oil can be sucked out of the engine within 100 miles. Personal experience. I don't want to get into a pissing contest, but suffice to say because of past experience with GM's I no longer buy anything made by GM.

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Leroy

09-17-2002 17:54:56




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 Re: Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to John R, 09-17-2002 15:44:37  
What age 350 engine, have a 74 model, also a 70 model 307 that uses a quart every 60-120 miles, can se no leaks, does not smoke, garage cannot find a reason using 10-40 oil, not yet reached the 100,000 mile mark



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Mguy

09-17-2002 14:31:39




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 Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to rossow (mn), 09-17-2002 11:49:06  
Had the same problem. Other day, stopped by the road, I dont know why looked underneath,1 drop of oil on the filter. Turned it half a turn!! Need to pay more attention, I guess. M guy.



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David

09-17-2002 13:27:32




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 Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to rossow (mn), 09-17-2002 11:49:06  
Had a Cherokee that started using alot of oil but didn't smoke or leak. Finally checked the transmission fluid one day and sure enough it was way overfilled, thick and dark. Assumed a bad seal between the engine and trans. Didn't have it fixed but traded it in a couple of months later.



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Mike ISW

09-17-2002 16:06:58




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 Re: Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to David, 09-17-2002 13:27:32  
In my opinion your engine oil did not get into your trans. These lubrication systems are completely seperate.



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Mac

09-17-2002 13:01:48




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 Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to rossow (mn), 09-17-2002 11:49:06  
Had a Ford one time that used oil about like that. I changed Brands of oil and went to highter multi grade. Helped some. Did ya check PVC valve? If I am not mistaking older 350's, rear main seal leaked a lot on some. Caddy North Stars use a qt in 800 to 1000 miles. A lot of them. New from dealer. Complain and they say they all do it?????
50 thou $ cars at that..



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Glenn(WV)

09-17-2002 14:56:31




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 Re: Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to Mac, 09-17-2002 13:01:48  
Yep, that's normal for a Northstar engine. Gotta admit, though, that other than the oil consumption, Caddy really did their homework on it. That sucker is FAST.



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hay

09-17-2002 12:53:07




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 Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to rossow (mn), 09-17-2002 11:49:06  
just a guess, but check at the rear main seal on the engine. it should have a lot of oil on the pan and/or inspection plate area if it is a major leak. try switching to a heavier weight oil and see if it still uses it so much.



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Kendall

09-17-2002 12:33:55




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 Re: 350 Chevy uses/loses oil: Guess why? in reply to rossow (mn), 09-17-2002 11:49:06  
My first guess is that the rebuilder didnt do a good enough job on honing the cylinders or something related to ring seat. Maybe should have spent a few more $ on the rings. One quart in 400 miles is .08 ounces per mile and your engine should be able to burn that without smoking. If you think you have a leak, park your Blazer on clean paper and let it run for 30 or 45 minuets. If you're leaking, perhaps this will reveal it. I would be looking for small leaks and hope the rings are seated. Also possible to have a very small intake valve guide leak. If it makes you feel better, I once had an old '62 ford that burned a quart every 15 or 20 miles. (new rings and hone the cylinders took care of it) Anyway, that my 3cents worth.

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