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Jim

11-07-2003 16:41:03




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Hi all, I have bought 1000's of dollars of Snap-on tools through the years, they are over priced but the warranty is good- or is it?? I bought a bunch of sockets and wrenchs at a flea market a while ago, payed next to nothing for them (compared to new), some sockets were broke and some were just plian worn out, I took 2-3 sockets a week onto the snapon truck, some of these sockets were so old that they don't make them anymore, he warrantied all the sockets but gave me flack each time, kept asking me were I got them, I said I'd owned them forever (I lied)he knew I bought them at a sale of some sort. The next and last week I had 1 last wrench, I went on the truck and handed it to him, the guy blew a gasket and started asking me what garage sale I bought this stuff at, I said in a firm voice, "It dos'nt matter, there guaranteed for life, that's when he opened the tool catalog to the first page and through it at me, it says Snap-on will only warranty to the original purchaser.

In other words, if Snapon wants to, they can make you prove that you are the original purchaser !!!

Now, I can see the guys point, the guy works his a$$ off selling tools for a liveing and don't make spit when he warrantees tools, it's just alot of paper work, I say, Sorry about that, but that goes with the business !

later,Jim

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JohnL

11-11-2003 12:20:21




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
The way I see it the warranty is to cover the purchaser, not the tool. You invest in their products, for a premium price at snap-on, they back you by placing a warranty on what you bought. You should be pleased to have gotten many dollars worth of tools off of them for nothing. Just my opinion-



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Ludwig

11-11-2003 08:15:54




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
So you admit you're a liar. You're basically stealing from the company and lieing about it and then you have the gall to COMPLAIN?
You'll get yours, what goes around comes around.



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DaveWis

11-10-2003 19:15:36




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
I didn't read the Snap-on warranty, I'll accept what was stated below as from their catalog. As that is written Snap-on does not warranty for wear. I did, however, read the Craftsman warranty, just to be sure I remembered it correctly. It says if you are EVER not completely satisfied for ANY reason it will be replaced free of charge, no questions asked. That implies that they include wear. I have never had a problem with getting anything replaced. For many years I didn't get screwdrivers replaced unless I actually broke it in normal use. I casually mentioned this to a store salesperson once and he said the warranty means exactly what it says, ANY reason. I don't have a problem with the rebuilt ratchets if they appear to be pretty good shape. I usually rebuild my own tho, as I can have it back in use in minutes and the kits are free. If your retail store doesn't have them, I get them from Craftsman Industrial for ten cents shipping each. As I stated on another thread a few days ago, Snap-on tools are about as good as it gets but for my money and after over 30 years experience they are definatly not even close to as much better as the cost difference. Just my opinion and you know what the consensus of opinions is.

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Robert in W. Mi

11-11-2003 14:03:01




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 Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to DaveWis, 11-10-2003 19:15:36  
A couple years ago i happened to have a 10 year old, "bran new" Craftsman 1/2 inch drive breaker bar in my tool box. I took it along with some other tools to a job site, where i was loading logs with my loader tractor. I heard a "creaking" noise from the left front wheel, so i checked the studs. My back isn't as good as it use to be, so i put my weight on the breaker bar, and twisted the end off the bar that holds the socket!! Next day i took a second Craftsman breaker bar with me and some pipe. That one didn't break.

When i took the new bar back, they took it with out complaint, but would only send the replacement to my home. It was FREE includeing shipping.

I took the replacement out and checked the same studs, and broke that bar in the same place!!! Again, i went back to Sears, and again they sent me another breaker bar. The second replacement hasn't broke yet, but i started carrying an S&K along just in case!!

Robert

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JEFF PK

11-09-2003 19:52:28




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
Sounds like your tool dealer is on probation at Snap-on. Rumor was a number of dealers got caught for turning in counterfeit tools. Old tools that were close to snap-on style and a little brand change. Even chrome plating a few. The lazier ones started recruiting scrap scroungers. Then Snap-on got wise and now does a close inspection on HIGH-RETURN dealers. Your Warranty returns may be pushing him to the quota limit.

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Robert in W. Mi

11-09-2003 16:31:15




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
I use to buy S&K tools. I took a 1/2" universal back that i broke, and they NO WAY would replace it! The dealer even told me that the warr. on my S&K box end wrenches was only for the "handle", and NOT the box end!!! I have never bought another S&K tool to this day!

Robert



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Indydirtfarmer

11-09-2003 05:04:12




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
What Kyhayman said is true. It might just be the "driver" you were dealing with. They are, in most cases, more than just a driver. They are independant sales contractors. The ones I know, buy their "route" from Snap-On, or from the previous route "owner". Some are better businessmen than others. If they are operating on a "close profit margin", they might not want to "give away" too much stuff. Others see the future benifit of honoring a warranty, on something they didn't originally sell. I'm sure that Snap_on has a "corperate policy" on handling "returns", but you're dealing with a local vendor, and not the corperate office. I have a Snap-On "war wagon", like you see the Nascar crews using. It's big enough to live in! Well, maybe not that big, but big anyway. I have over $12,000 invested in the tools in the box. My "route man" is more than willing to honor any warrenty claims, even though he isn't the one that sold me the bulk of the stuff. He goes on the assumtion that I bought this much, I'll probably buy more. I think your biggest hurdle, is the fact that you didn't buy them from Snap-On anyway. If you had an account history, they might have been a little more receptive to your request for new tools, in trade for broken "junk". JMHO, John

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KYHAYMAN

11-09-2003 04:42:48




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
I think a lot of the difficulty was you driver. About 5 years ago the Snap On man came by to see me and we were talking. I had a 15/16"th socket that was worn out. I just asked him if they covered 'wear', he said no but he needed to show me something. Ok..... He asked for a 3 pound hammer and a vise. I gave it to him. Bang he 'fixed' the socket, said now he could give me a new one.



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Wayne

11-08-2003 22:06:16




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
The MAC man I deal with has been with them for close to 20 yrs. He told me that there is a 300% plus markup for the price of their tools verses the manufacture price. In other words they expect to be able to replace every tool they manufacture at least three times and still make a profit. Since the prices are about the same I figure Snap-On does the same thing. In the end no more tools they have to replace percentage wise, it just stads to reason that they would replace them anyway just for the customer satisfaction factor. Like everybody knows a satisfied customer is gonna come back and do more business which means more profit for them. It's a win win situation for all involved. Another reason tool prices are so high is waste. A local scrap yard routinely gets in loads of tools from Stanley Tool Co. This is brand new stuff, ranging from 3/4 drive socket sets (with the pull handle, ratchet, extensions, etc) still in the box, to hammers, rullers, screwdrivers, basically any type of tool they produce. The yard is required to sign a "Intent to destroy" paper, and that's just what happens, all the tools are scrapped. If an employ is caught with so much as a screwdriver out of the pile, he is immediately fired with no questions. In the end it's waste like this that makes everything we buy, be it tools or whatever, so dang expensive.

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jimbob

11-09-2003 06:36:48




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 Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Wayne, 11-08-2003 22:06:16  
300% markup and they can replace the tool 3 times and still make money? It seems like simple math to me, but I guess that's why I'm not rich enough to afford Snap-On(or is it snap-off in this guys case?). If it cost $1 to make a tool and it is marked up 300% then the tool will sell for $4. The tools must be designed/developed, marketed, shipped, and sold by a rep that has to make a living. If the tool was replaced 3 times at a "cost" of $1 each time it seems to me that the manufacurer would be loosing his a$$ and you would be buying chinese tools!
It's kind of like an employee complaining about how much the boss is making off of him by charging $30/hr when he is only paid $18/hr. God forbid that the employer pay taxes, social security, workmens compensation, insurance, etc. They may be getting rich, but it is not in exponential figures like you may think!

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Ludwig

11-11-2003 08:18:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to jimbob, 11-09-2003 06:36:48  
Thats the truth, insurance is the real killer too.



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unknown

11-08-2003 22:33:43




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 Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Wayne, 11-08-2003 22:06:16  
Babes in the woods! You should see what the Snap-on dealers turn in for warranty. Snap-on produces more screwdriver replacement blades each year than they produce screwdrivers. They have dealers taking flex sockets, breaking them in two and then try and claim warranty for two sockets. The replacement center use to take the dealers word for what was being replaced and credit issued. Not anymore. About 25% of all returned items are replaced out of good will rather than worn out. Replaced items have to be paid for one way or another and that's just part of the reason that Snap-on tools are so expensive!

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Deas Plant.

11-08-2003 19:18:25




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
Hi, Jim. I won't say that what you did was wrong because I'm not into judgements. I'm more into personal responsibilty and being able to sleep at night.

What I will say is that is NOT something that I would choose to do.

I DO have one question: Knowing what you know now, that the warranty ONLY applies to the original purchaser, would you try the same stunt again? And again? And again? And.....

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Snap-Me

11-08-2003 18:37:41




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
Snap-On and all other tool warranties are written that they are "guaranteed to be free from defects in workmanship and materials..." NOT to never wear out, or break!!! Sounds to me like most of you need to grow up. Admit it; most of us abuse our tools. And they wear out and break sometimes. Suck it up and buy a new one, and quit your complaining!!



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paul

11-08-2003 20:46:55




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 Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Snap-Me, 11-08-2003 18:37:41  
They shouldn't have to replace a worn tool, but broken stuff should be warrentied.

Of course, then folks go & break their worn stuff to get it replaced....

Kind of gets to be an endless cycle, company makes real strong claims, raises prices to cover the costs or replacements, so people want more replacements, so the price goes up but the company has to re-enforce it's strong warrenty to justify the high price, so folks will never buy more than 1 of an item, ....

--->Paul

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GG

11-08-2003 19:59:25




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 Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Snap-Me, 11-08-2003 18:37:41  
If I break it, it must have had a defect in material or workmanship !!!



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Steve

11-08-2003 19:19:12




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 Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Snap-Me, 11-08-2003 18:37:41  
Hey "snap-me" you must be a snap-on dealer. If I pay $90 for a rathchet I expect it to be warrenty forever, of course everybody abuses their tools, it called normal use. Have you ever heard someone say "I'm easy on my tools".



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RayP(MI)

11-08-2003 16:18:37




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
Wanna know about a lousy warranty? I had a S-K breaker bar that was damaged and left by a renter/farmer. Gave it to my father-in-law, because he did quite a bit of business with his local S-K dealer. Dealer refused to warranty the wrench without the sales receipt. HOW MANY OF YOU CAN SUPPLY A SALES RECEIPT FOR EVERY TOOL YOU HAVE PURCHASED????? ????? ???



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Nolan

11-08-2003 15:07:24




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
Absurdly high prices and a rather lousy warranty are what has kept Snap-On tools out of my tool boxes for years. It's nothing new, Snap-On has had a poor warranty for as long as I can remember. You want to really run into it? Move and have to deal with a different Snap-On rep.



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Bob S

11-08-2003 14:35:11




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
Here is the Snap-On warranty, right out of the book:


Full Warranty - Professional Use

SNAP-ON TOOLS COMPANY WARRANTS TO CUSTOMERS WHO USE TOOLS OR EQUIPMENT IN THEIR BUSINESS THAT THE COMPANY’S TOOLS ARE FREE FROM DEFECTS IN WORKMANSHIP AND MATERIALS. Snap-on will repair or replace its tools which fail to give satisfactory service due to defective workmanship or materials. Repair or replacement shall be at the election and expense of Snap-on Tools Company, and is your exclusive remedy in place of all other rights and remedies. Products must be returned to Snap-on or a Snap-on dealer for warranty service. All SNAP-ON® and BLUE-POINT® tools carry a FULL WARRANTY whose duration depends upon the nature of the tool.

For SNAP-ON® brand hand tools (other than torque wrenches) and tool storage units, the warranty is a LIFETIME warranty - it is effective for as long as you own the tool.

· For BLUE-POINT® brand hand tools, the warranty is also a LIFETIME warranty unless otherwise specified with the tool.

· For SNAP-ON® brand meters, power tools, and electronic diagnostic products, the warranty period is for ONE YEAR from the date of the original purchase.

· For SNAP-ON® brand torque wrenches and BLUE-POINT® brand meters and power tools, and for all other SNAP-ON® brand and BLUE-POINT® products not specifically mentioned above, the duration of the warranty period is supplied with the product, but in no event is the warranty period for more than one year from the date of the original purchase.

Snap-on does NOT provide any warranty for 1) products labeled other than Snap-on or Blue-Point or (2) products subjected to abnormal use. The manufacturer, which is not Snap-on, provides the only warranty for products labeled other than Snap-on or Blue-Point, and Snap-on will pass along any such warranties. A consumable product is warranted, at the time of sale, only against defects in workmanship or materials that prevent its use. Consumable products are goods reasonably expected to be used up or damaged during use, including but not limited to drill bits, saw blades, grinding discs, sanding discs, knife blades, files, O2 sensors and batteries. Abnormal use includes misuse, accident, modification, unreasonable use, neglect, lack of maintenance, use in production-related service, or use after the tool is significantly worn.

SNAP-ON SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL COSTS OR DAMAGES INCURRED BY THE PURCHASER OR OTHERS (including without limitation, lost profits, revenues, anticipated sales, business opportunities, goodwill, or interruption of business and any other injury or damage).

In other words, if you use the tool at work or your business/livelyhood, they will warranty it off the truck. If you are just someone who uses them at home, they don't have to give you a replacement, many will the first time around, as a good will jeshture. They can make you send it to Snap-On for the replacement. Have you bought many tools from him recently? Thousnad's of dollars over the years could mean very little. What is your line of work, do you use them at home or work? Does the truck come to your place of work, or do you chase down someone? Also, if you have a problem with the dealer exchanging tools, have you contacted Snap-On? The first page of the catalog also mentions, for consumer use, contact Snap-On. Couldn't find anything that mentions orginal owner only for returns. Where is it on the first page, and what catalog #? Tried the Snap-On website as well, didn't find it either. Only thing mentioned was torque wrenches, electonics and some Blue point items being 1 year. However, the ratchet gears in the torque wrenches usually are replaced beyond the 1 year, though I have never heard of them breaking in a torque wrench.

Bob S.

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j meyer

11-08-2003 12:48:29




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
Yeah, I know where you're coming from and what everyone is saying about Snap-on stuff. I got a half price deal when I started my schooling at Tech school for tractor mechanics. The guys on the tool truck expect you to be more than willing to pay the full price since you got such a good deal the first time around, they always seem to be so darn pushy.... I duuno, I just think that Snap-on is just a better quality of wrench you just have to put up with the good and the bad.... some days you wonder if its worth it:) My two cents anyways....

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RJ-AZ

11-08-2003 11:25:48




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
All of my 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" socket sets are Snap-ON and some of my other wrenches as well. I never had a problem getting sockets replaced or ratchets replace until the other day. New dealer on the route and I took in a long handle flex head 3/8" drive ratchet to be repaired, I had put a piece of battery cable heat shrink tubing on the handle for a comfortable grip and he made me remove it before he would put a kit in it. I find these guys are getting pickier unless you are spending $50+ a week to them. Haven't gotten a freebie for years now. I have a nice Snap-On brass belt buckle that a can't find anymore I think it's down there somewhere with that other TOOL I can't see either.

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Ron in new york

11-08-2003 10:28:44




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
They should redeem these tools just to keep the value of them high, why else would you these over priced tools. I have a few snap on tools that I have bought used..... there is nothing any better about them that I can see.

I use craftsman and the sales clerks smile when they replace them. I here numerous stories from friends wishing they had saved their money and bought craftsman after getting jerked around by snap on

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Robert in W. Mi

11-09-2003 20:50:31




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 Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Ron in new york, 11-08-2003 10:28:44  
In some cases snap-on sockets are thinner than Sears, and will get into tighter places. In the last several years Sears sockets have been getting thicker and thicker!! Robert



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ron in new york

11-09-2003 21:15:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 11-09-2003 20:50:31  
That explains the demise of the one 12mm socket I had that was snap-on. I simply ended up throwing it away rather than try to search down a salesman for a replacement.

I have yet to have a spot where I couldnt get to with a regular socket. For alot of the old rusted equipment I work on I use impact sockets and a breaker bar (hence the thickness issue is small for me)

Even at the components plant I am a manager at we will not order tools that expensive. We would need vaults to keep them in!!

I have in total broken 3 to 4 tools in 30 odd years of small farming and maintaining my extended families cars, hence the warranty is less valuable to me.(one ratchet,one snap on socket, one cresent, one box end wrench) Most I talk to who have gone the expensive tool route with snap on and mac would not do it again in retrospect.

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Just a thought

11-08-2003 10:25:06




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
How about Snap On just cutting the price in half and have a limited 1 year warranty with receipt and offer a life time warranty to the person for a fee. (the other half) Then the dealer would make money off selling the life time warranties and if the tools are good then pure profit



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Mac

11-08-2003 08:26:37




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
Lots of good pro's and con's on this one. Warranty's are like a nose,(putting it mildly) every one has one. I think it depends on the sales person plus the one wanting replacement merchandise. PR has gone to pot anymore. Gotta read fine print on everything. Like a few weeks ago a guy bought a new rider mower, got up the next day and battery was dead(Bad), instead of the seller just replacing it with one from another mower(no bat's in stock) he ordered one for the guy. Thats surely not right. Bet that guy dont buy anything else there. I wouldnt. I would have gotten him a battery even if I had to buy it.

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Steve

11-08-2003 08:18:19




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
Anyone that says Jim should be ashamed of himself is crazy, and does not no much about the Snap-on and others tools sales. First off Snap-on does make the best tools period, but you pay for that! I own apx. $15,000 worth of Snap-on tools and would have no problem buying broken used ones to trade in for new, the salesman doesn't loose any money on this and yes I agree with the gentleman that posted before, I have not met a Snap-on salesman that wasn't a *$$!@#$%. The warrenty should apply to who ever owns them, even if you the 50th person to own them. I guess when I pass my tools down to my son he won't be able to warrenty them because he wasn't the original owner.

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Bob

11-08-2003 06:53:44




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
I think when the warranty was rewritten it was to try and protect the company from people who are always trying to get something for nothing. That and abuse of tools is what causes warranty restrictions.



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Monkey Butt

11-08-2003 06:49:55




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
Back when I was it high school I worked at a gas station. The Boss would buy the tools from Snap-On, the most I would buy was a tire gauge ($5.00ea) a week. That came out of $100.00 a week I made in 1980. Well, when the calendars came out each year, the Boss would get one and I would ask for one too. He would never give me one because I did not spend enough money. Now I have my own shop and no Snap-On tools. They should think twice on how they treat people.

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jim

11-08-2003 06:24:49




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
What does this all this have to do with the high price of Snap-off tools? Snap-off charged a high price when they sold the tools, and they should stand behind them, period!!!! How does this dealer not know that he sold these tools in the first place??? I called and asked a Mac tools dealer to stop by my shop, he came by for about three or four months, I spent like $450.00 with him in that time and had him warranty a couple of tools that I bought in another town, from another dealer, then I guess I was not spending enough or what ever, but he quit coming around, so I guess you have to be a 10,000.00 a year customer for him to realize a profit. So now, I go buy Craftsman tools, have never had any problem with their warranty being stood behind or maybe the Sears store in Springfield, IL is a step higher than the rest. That takes a lot for me to admit, they are my competition with some of their products they sell and I must say that part of Sears leaves a lot to be desired.

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GG

11-08-2003 05:56:31




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
Shameful how warranties change. Chrysler, a few years ago, had the best warranty in the industry on their autos and trucks. Now they have the worst. Warranties are just as good as the people that back them. For this reason, I will never drive a Chrysler product again.



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Bob/wis

11-08-2003 05:07:43




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
It just not tools either. Bought a pair of work boots at cabelas last march. The leather seperated from the sole. So the other day i take them back. I was told they had a yr warranty just bring them back full refund. Well they had mud on them not alot just a little. Only got 33 back off them toward another pair. I did buy another pair just to get something to wear. Should have went back to red wing atleast they lasted 4 yrs. Or does wolverine still make the boar hide boots. They wear like iron.
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hay

11-08-2003 03:36:49




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
nothing galls me worse than a warranty that will not be honored. heck, that's why i buy them high price snap-on and craftsman tools to begin with: WARRANTY. when i break one i do expect the comapny to make it good. so far in the last 30 years i have not broken or damage any snap-on tools, but have broken several craftsman ( or should i say crapsman) and each time i was given a "repair kit" for the ratchets or grilled by the sales people about how a wrench got broken or damages. that is not their worry, just replace the dang thing like you promised you would when i purchased it. it has me looking at some of the cheaper less known brands when i need something now. if i can't get the warranty honored, then i buy something affordable and don't worry about it and if and when it breaks i can then afford to get another one outta my pocket with no "warranty' hassle. what's wrong with things in this county now is too many empty promises and not enough real action. just do what you say you are going to do.

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SHeiserman

11-08-2003 04:07:11




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 Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to hay, 11-08-2003 03:36:49  
Wright Tools. A 1/2" drive breaker bar purchased in 1961, replaced no questions asked. The hardware store that replaced it, hasn't sold Wright for years. The whole deal took a little over one week. Kramer Ace, Hampton ,IA deserves credit for honoring a purchase that old too.



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David in Ga.

11-07-2003 20:45:23




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
Snap on and mac have gotten crazy! I have quit buying snap on because of the grief I always put up with on waranty replacements on tools I bought myself but from other dealers when I worked in other towns. Mac wont send a truck out because they say our town is dead, but dont care about the few good loyal customers they have there. They took so much of the independent Mac dealers territory for the company owned truck that he quit and went to Matco. I used to think matco of lesser quality but like them as good as snap on or Mac. The Matco man will even warrenty a snap on or Mac with a new Matco.

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bh

11-07-2003 20:39:54




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
I think the point here is not what the warranty is now but what the warrenty was when the tools were sold. Snap-on and Craftsman used to claim lifetime warranty with no discaimers. Only in the last couple decades have they changed this. They certainly should honor the warranty as issued with the tool.
PS Craftsman has stopped honoring warranties for punches drifts, and other "struck tools" in certain stores. They also have a policy of issueing rebuilt ratchets for returned ones. This burned me when I returned a new 3/8 ratchet that failed on my first use and the rebuilt one actually had copper showing where the plating was worn off!

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Van

11-13-2003 05:23:25




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 Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to bh, 11-07-2003 20:39:54  
They tried that with me also, tried to give me a beat up rachet for a like new one. I raised so much H377 they gave me a new one like I asked just to get me out of the store.



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Chris-se-ILL

11-09-2003 06:10:34




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 Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to bh, 11-07-2003 20:39:54  
I put up with Sears' re-built replacement twice... I had a 1/2" swivel-head ratchet that had the wristpin falling out everytime I turned it sideways. I took it in the first time for warranty and they just "reached under the counter" and handed me a replacement (that should have been a tip-off). Then after only a few uses the "replacement" ratchet's wristpin started falling out.... I went back to Sears and they reached under the counter and pulled out another ratchet (should have still been a tip-off).... this one lasted only a little while (surprise, surprise!) That last time I went in and they reached under the counter... I threw the ratchet back across the counter and said, "Give me one off the rack in the display case!" The salesclerk looked funny and went to get the manager. I spoke my piece and told the manager exactly why I would not take anymore rebuilt's!!!!! He sent the clerk to get me a "real" replacement! No problem since then!!! I will take NO "under the counter" tools again!!!

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John in MA

11-08-2003 15:05:06




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 Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to bh, 11-07-2003 20:39:54  
At least in the ones I've seen, struck tools still show the "forever" warranty in the tool catalog. You'd think stores would have to go by that.

By the way, the ratchet thing isn't new. Years ago you'd frequetly just get a bag of new repair parts if you brought you old one in.



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JS

11-07-2003 19:49:24




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
Snap-on makes very good tools but the salesmen are (insert bad words)! Either you stand by your product or not. Replacing those tools cost him nothing other than the time to fill out the paper work. For a regular customers he should learn to shutup and be thankful their not buying from the mac guy or sears! Snap-on tools are not expensive becuase of some warrenty tools. They want you to buy the religon of buying only snap-on, but then they want to jerk around on replacing stuff. btw your salesman sounds like the one in my area, he's been kicked out of a lot of places.

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CNKS

11-07-2003 19:03:46




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
I normally don't respond to such posts, but that is blatant dishonesty on your part. You really shoud be ashamed of yourself.



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Why ?

11-07-2003 19:40:30




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 Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to CNKS, 11-07-2003 19:03:46  
Why should I be ashamed?, you all must of misunderstood me?, I did not break these tools, they were worn out, I have given Snapon maybe $4000.00 to $5000.00 in the last 25 years, They made a "Profit" from me. Are you saying that I can't sell me snapon tools someday because some other guy will be takeing my worn out tools that he did'nt buy directly from snapon and getting them warrantied?

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Loren

11-09-2003 19:44:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Why ?, 11-07-2003 19:40:30  
$4-5000? Get real. That's a pidlin amount for anyone in the business. Wear should NEVER be warranteed and you know it. Yea, dang, I'll take my 83 F250 in and make them give me a new one cause I wore it out. Wait! It's even better than that cause see, I'm the 3rd owner of the dang thing so I KNOW they should give me a new Powerstroke for that. I had over $35,000 in hand tools in my box when I got out of it and not once did the thought of warrantying a worn out tool cross my mind in 20 years of wrenching. Thanks for the enlightenment.

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JD-Tractor

11-08-2003 22:04:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Why ?, 11-07-2003 19:40:30  
Joel,get real, per your post you said "these tools were worn out " You and the rest of the group that are siding with you must be real intelligent ??? A warranty is to cover you in the event that you purchase a product that won't measure up to the manufacturer's stated use or that through no fault of yours breaks in NORMAL use.It does not and was never intended to cover normal wear and tear.your attitude and the fraudulant use of the warranty is the prime reason that these items cost so much for us honest people .This is a good reason why society is heading to the devil. you should have been grateful that you recieved warranty on some of the tools. Keep in mind the tool dealer makes not a cent of profit on tools he gives you under warranty and is basically working for nothing to cover those transactions!!! How long do you suppose he would stay in business and be able to service you ?Do you dedicate part of your workday to work for free??I doubt it.Ps. I have no connection to any source of tools, but have bought many Thousands of dollars from all the sources in my 35 year career and believe me Craftsman does not have the best warranty!!

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CNKS

11-08-2003 09:59:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Why ?, 11-07-2003 19:40:30  
$5000 in 25 years, or $5000 per year?-- If the former that's only $200 a year or $17 a month, your cell phone costs twice that much. If you are a pro mechanic, that doesn't sound like much to me. I think you just like to negotiate, some people do. I'm bailing out of this discussion, bye.



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Joel Harman

11-08-2003 10:34:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to CNKS, 11-08-2003 09:59:02  
don't let the door hit you on the way out!



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CNKS

11-08-2003 12:10:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Joel Harman, 11-08-2003 10:34:46  
The door is getting very close, before it hits me, I try not to get involved in non-productive discussions like this one, won't do it again -- here comes the door!



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AC

11-08-2003 07:41:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Why ?, 11-07-2003 19:40:30  
Why be ashamed? These tools were worn out. I worked for craftsman, and exchanged old tools all the time. For every one that gets refurbished or traded it, 25 don't. It comes with the territiry.



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been there

11-07-2003 20:09:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Why ?, 11-07-2003 19:40:30  
I spend about 1500.00 a year,he would replace mine with no trouble,you are not a good enough customer to mess with.(I know it`s not much money but he also knows if I say I`ll pay 50.00 a week he will get 50.00 a week.Not, oh I forgot, I will get you next week.)



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Mike

11-07-2003 18:20:03




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
And then you wonder why Snap-On tools are so expensive? Somebody has to pay for your "good luck"



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Loren

11-07-2003 17:23:42




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
And you're making a bundle off him when he's spending time while not making an income and complaining about it when you know it's not entirely ethical? Hmmm.



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Joel Harman

11-08-2003 06:47:38




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 Re: Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Loren, 11-07-2003 17:23:42  
Why isn't it ethical? Someone paid for the tools the first time around & they bought the warranty at that time. What difference does it make who made snap on stand behind what they preach?



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JOHN (LA)

11-07-2003 17:23:38




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 Re: Snap-on warranty warning in reply to Jim, 11-07-2003 16:41:03  
I guess he was mad. Look at all to commision he lost on selling you these same tools.



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