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stove oil vs. furnace oil

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naz

01-09-2004 04:56:14




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Can anyone tell me the difference between s/oil and f/oil.I have a mobile home with furnace that,I was told to use only stove oil.I know furnace oil is the same as diesel fuel.Stove oil must be close to kerosene.Here in Nova Scotia we pay close to 10 cents/litre more for stove oil compared to f/oil.The furnace runs constantly when it's -20c +.




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brandon

01-09-2004 19:11:39




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 Re: stove oil vs. furnace oil in reply to naz, 01-09-2004 04:56:14  
They do make a anti gel that you can put right in to your tank to help gelling but I think that you are better of paying a little more for the K-1 or have it mixed 50-50 with K-1 and fuel.



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RWK in WI

01-09-2004 18:19:19




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 Re: stove oil vs. furnace oil in reply to naz, 01-09-2004 04:56:14  
The comments stove is #1 and furnace is #2 are correct to what I have learned. If I also remember #2 gells at about 20° F. in stationary / nonmoving tanks, #1 gells at -5° F in stationary tanks. I guess vibration helps keep it from gelling.
If your tank is outdoors or even in a garage it is subject to collecting condinsation and when this gets to the filter it freezes. It can also freeze in the lines. Years ago we had outdoor tanks and ran large diameter - maybe 1/2" or 3/4" inside diameter lines into the house - heated crawl space - and then into the filter there and on to the heater. We used only #1 because of the outdoor storage. Still froze up somtimes and we had to feed an indoor heated tank 5 gallons at a time. I hope this gives you some ideas.

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Greywolf

01-10-2004 05:25:46




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 Re: Re: stove oil vs. furnace oil in reply to RWK in WI, 01-09-2004 18:19:19  
Not real sure on where the temp figures come from.

For my snow blower tractor, I have never gone more than a 50/50 blend #2/#1. It has started and ran fine @ -30*F in southern MN. Sitting for a couple weeks would classify it as stationary tank. I have even started the semi @ -10 on straight #2 fuel. While most think they have gelled fuel, more times than not, through natural condensation of the seasons, there is water contamination of the fuel caught by the filter and they have a "frozen" supply of fuel, not a "gelled" supply of fuel.

In other parts of the country the supplier might have the furnace blends. My supplier has only 3 grades to deliver. #2 hi sulpher, #2 and #1 low sulpher. I haven't asked but I honestly even think it's only 1 and 2 low sulpher only. The taxex and dye is what seperates them.

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naz

01-09-2004 08:39:27




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 Re: stove oil vs. furnace oil in reply to naz, 01-09-2004 04:56:14  
The nozzle is .55 and I keep at least 1 new one on hand throughout the winter.With a new filter on the tank she still jelled up last night.(-23c).I rinsed out the filter with methyl hydrate and poured some in the tank,seems to be working fine now.



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INCase

01-09-2004 08:11:04




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 Re: stove oil vs. furnace oil in reply to naz, 01-09-2004 04:56:14  
Red Dave is correct. IF your fuel tank is outside and above ground the reason is the winter fuel jelling issue with #2. For early fall & late spring heating needs you may get by with straight #2 fuel oil. i lived in a mobile home for 1 winter in central Pennsylvania and used (I can't remember) either a 50/50 #1-#2 blend or 60/40 blend?? with no problems.. the AGWAY dealer sold it that way (what ever the % was) I don't know how much colder you get there. You should be able to blend some % and save a little $ and not have jelling issue. good luck

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INCase

01-09-2004 08:15:14




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 Re: Re: stove oil vs. furnace oil in reply to INCase, 01-09-2004 08:11:04  
Jay has some good points to. When in doubt consult your owners manual for the furnace.. if you don't have one there's a good chance you can read it online from the manufacturer.



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Jay

01-09-2004 07:58:34




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 Re: stove oil vs. furnace oil in reply to naz, 01-09-2004 04:56:14  
Stove fuel is #1, Furnace fuel is #2. These are old carried over terms.

#2 will give you more heat at a cheaper price, however since you mention mobile home - don't even think about it.

First off, you have an outside tank, so you need the flowability of the #1 Sove fuel. Secondly, if you have a smaller mobile home (vs. a double-wide) your nozzle in your funace is probably going to be a .50 or .60 gallon nozzle. (Perhaps in Canada they use different numbers?) Anyways that means that your furnace can burn .5 or .6 gallons of fuel per hour with that nozzle. All fuel nozzles orfices are tiny, but in comparison those are extremely small and they have a tendency to plug up much faster than those in a bigger furnace. The #1, while not necessarily cleaner, is for lack of a better term, more pure. It won't plug your nozzles nearly as fast just because it is thinner basically.

So no. Your supplier isn't trying to make an extra dime on you. He actually knows what he's talking about.

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Red Dave

01-09-2004 06:22:44




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 Re: stove oil vs. furnace oil in reply to naz, 01-09-2004 04:56:14  
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "stove oil" or "furnace oil", but it sounds like what we call kerosene & diesel (or fuel oil) here.
Back when I lived in a mobile home I burned kerosene in the oil burner. It was because the tank was outside and regular fuel oil would jell in the cold weather, and the kerosene wouldn't. That may be why you were told to burn the lighter grade oil. Kerosene may be more expensive, but a tank full of the jelled cheaper fuel oil isn't worth anything when it's cold and the burner won't run.

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Scott Green

01-09-2004 07:28:16




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 Re: Re: stove oil vs. furnace oil in reply to Red Dave, 01-09-2004 06:22:44  
I was guessing the same thing.



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