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Willie

06-07-2004 06:48:30




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It's getting hot here in the mid-west and I've got about 40 new trees and I've lost count of the shrubs we have planted. We have a good well but I hate to use it to water trees. My idea is to use creek water for irrigation. The creek bank is 225 feet from the house and it's a 45 foot drop to the water. Very steep bank. The creek has water all the time and is over 4 foot deep where I plain to put the pump. My idea is to make a 6" PVC tube with holes and screen around it and put the pump in the tube so trash can not get in the pump. Run 3/4" plastic pipe from the pump to a manfold and then run garden hose to water with. Would a 1HP submersible work for this? That is what I have in the well so I thought I'd use a 1HP for this project and I'd have a back-up well pump. Am I off base here or is there a better idea. I do have elec. power near the creek bank and a gas powered pump over the bank would be kind of a chore to remove in case the creek were to come up. Any idea would be welcome.

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Keith-NE.OR

06-08-2004 00:53:28




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 Re: small irrigation pump? in reply to Willie, 06-07-2004 06:48:30  
If I had a running creek on my property, this it what I would be using instead of electric or gas pump. A friend is using this type of pump to supply water for his cabin, his is called a Clacker Pump. He pumps water over 60 feet up hill. Very interesting. Check out the following websites.

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www.clemson.edu www.lifewater.ca

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T_Bone

06-07-2004 08:16:33




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 Re: small irrigation pump? in reply to Willie, 06-07-2004 06:48:30  
Hi Wille,

Make a sump pit with your 6" PVC installed in a 3/4" gravel pack. This prefilters the large trash without plugging the pipe openings. Then use a normal screened foot valve on the pump suction line inside the 6" pipe.

A typical suction line is 125% of discharge line. So a 1" discharge line would require a 1-1/4" suction line.

You will loose 20psi of pumping head. 2.31ft=1psi, 45ft/2.31=19.48psi vertical loss plus the restricktion of 225ft of straight pipe. Throw in a couple 90's and you can easy see a 30psi total loss at the header so account for this loss when you spec the pump.

T_Bone

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Ron

06-07-2004 07:14:05




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 Re: small irrigation pump? in reply to Willie, 06-07-2004 06:48:30  
Get a Northern Tool catalog or see their website. You are on the right track but there are MUCH easier ways of doing what you want.

Because you already know the distances, you just buy some suction hose with a strainer, a pump, and a discharge hose and you are ready to go in minutes.



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arthur

06-07-2004 19:23:48




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 Re: Re: small irrigation pump? in reply to Ron, 06-07-2004 07:14:05  
careful with a pump above water level suction of a pump willonly lift water 29 feet with a very good pump your submersial pump is probaley a very good choice



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Ron

06-07-2004 23:06:21




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 Re: Re: Re: small irrigation pump? in reply to arthur, 06-07-2004 19:23:48  
Not the case at all. Suction pumps are rated by "total head". Many of NT's pumps are rated at 50'-100'. The key is to match the proper pump with the application and then get the recommended suction and discharge hoses to match. The proper pump is the one with the required GPM flow rate "at the total head required in a particular application".



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Ron

06-07-2004 23:34:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: small irrigation pump? in reply to Ron, 06-07-2004 23:06:21  
I reread your post. Both total lift and total head are spec'd for each pump and yes, you must choose a pump within the specified range. The greater the lift, the longer it takes for the pump to self-prime.

I personally would not put a pump, any pump, in a river for obvious reasons.



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Coloken

06-07-2004 07:11:52




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 Re: small irrigation pump? in reply to Willie, 06-07-2004 06:48:30  
Sounds good to me. Think that if I were buying the plastic pipe I would use 1 inch. Cost isn't that much. 1 Hp should throw 12 gpm or so. PVC pipe is larger than the same size black plastic. Wish I had a creek. 4 foot deep? that a river! If that were in Colo. a dozen lawers would be standing around it. Going to make 98 degrees here in Colo. today. 12 percent humidity.



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David H.

06-07-2004 11:13:53




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 Re: Re: small irrigation pump? in reply to Coloken, 06-07-2004 07:11:52  
Coloken is right. In Colorado you'd get caught for using water rights than weren't yours. Might be a little careful about that depending on how tight water is in your area.



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