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matthew

07-29-2004 20:11:14

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I want a smoke wrench with "want" being the key word. I have gotten by without a torch for some time now with saws, chisels, hammers, long cheater bars, drill, and sometimes the use of a good friend.
As I really don't have much justification, I want to get by as cheap as possible. But, I try to buy good tools for a lifetime. I also do not care to rent anything long term so I was expecting to spend significant money on tanks.
Bottom line, I have found these little kangaroo outfits (one by Victor and one by Lincoln)complete with light torch, regs, and small bottles with a good discount versus buying similar components independantly. What do y'all think. Is it enough torch? Will you always be out of gas?
Also, I read from time to time about propane outfits - what are the pros and cons and would this be good for small user?
Warning - If y'all answer my questions, the next thing you know I will be asking you about welders once I can cut better. So be warned - next on my want list. Thanks for the help

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Kendall

08-05-2004 05:58:23

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Re: torch advise in reply to matthew, 07-29-2004 20:11:14

I bought a torch kit like you describe years ago except mine didn't come with bottles. I rented the tall bottles for a while. I bought shorty bottles like you're describing in the kit a couple of years ago and they last a long time if you're just doing occasional cutting and fix it up welding. Lucky me, the plumbing supply store right around the corner has oxy and acc exchange for about $1.00 more that going down to the welding supply store. If you find the shorty bottles are getting used up too fast, just rent the tall bottles and keep the shorty bottles for portable use. After you have a "smoke wrench" for a while, you'll wonder how you got along with out it for so long! Go for it!

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nwb

07-31-2004 18:42:57

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Re: torch advise in reply to matthew, 07-29-2004 20:11:14

I have a propane torch. 200cft. oxogen tank and #20 propane tank. It works well for heating and cutting. I cannot weld or braze with it. It is difficult to use a small flame for soldering, but it can be done. I am considering going to acetalyne because there are times that I would like to braze and gas weld. If you do a lot of heating and cutting propane is cheaper and works well. My needs in a torch have changed and I would now rather have the versatility of act. Good luck in your choice.

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Coloken

08-02-2004 07:50:14

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Re: torch advise in reply to nwb, 07-31-2004 18:42:57

NWB, Have you tried the cutting tip for brazing?
Mine does OK. Regular tips are pretty much us less, not hot enough.

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nwb

08-02-2004 09:34:32

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Re: torch advise in reply to Coloken, 08-02-2004 07:50:14

Thanks. I'll give it a try.

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george

07-31-2004 12:54:42

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Re: torch advise in reply to matthew, 07-29-2004 20:11:14

It sounds like you are looking for a burning torch(cutting). If so the only way to go is propane. You can't weld with it but who welds with gas anymore. Much safer and just as good. Talk to the rep at the welding store about proper torch tips.

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matthew

07-30-2004 19:00:06

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Re: torch advise in reply to matthew, 07-29-2004 20:11:14

Thanks for the advise. I was somewhat afraid constantly changing pressure from small tanks expecially oxygen and cheap regulators would be a problem. TSC has moved in my area and they seem to offer cylinder exchange just like the corner store does for propane so I think I have options. I still want to check on propane - thanks for the Sears lead.

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T_Bone

07-31-2004 01:38:29

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Re: torch advise in reply to matthew, 07-30-2004 19:00:06

Hi Matthew, welcome To the Forum :)

The only problem with the "mini" cylinders is you can onlt get about 1hr of cutting and 3hrs of brazing. Way to small for ecomoney useage. They work great for packing to the roof.

A Victor 100 troch is a great sized torch. Good control with less hand fatigue. Made very well.

The 100cft acetylene and 200cft oxygen cylinders works well.

Do a search on this forum for propane cutting as it's been discussed alot. If your into gas welding then LP/oxy can't be used for many metals.

T_Bone

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Chester

07-30-2004 16:49:00

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Re: torch advise in reply to matthew, 07-29-2004 20:11:14

Don't know where you live, but in the prov. of Ontario you are only allowed to OWN a "B" tank acetylene and the 80 cu ft. oxygen tank (except for those back pack sizes you mentioned.) anything larger can only be leased. The supplier looks after the ace. tank maintenance, be you are responsible for the Ox. tank which must be re-certified every 10 years at your expense. I am a casual user and re-fill about twice a year, with little or no cutting. So, I would say forget those back-packers and get at least the size above. If you must lease, go for even bigger sizes as those, in reality will not do a lot of cutting. Beware of buying used tanks as you may not get them filled and / or out of date. Know your regulations before you lay down any $$$.

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Catskill Pete

07-30-2004 11:49:53

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Re: torch advise in reply to matthew, 07-29-2004 20:11:14

Before you buy an outfit with it's own bottles, check around and see if you can find a local supplier willing to fill them. Around here the gas suppliers are VERY proprietary, if its not one of their tanks they won't touch them.

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MarkB

07-30-2004 04:17:26

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Re: torch advise in reply to matthew, 07-29-2004 20:11:14

Get regular size tanks. The portable outfits have their place, but the small tanks are a problem: You can't use large tips because of excessive drawdown on the acetylene, and the oxygen tanks aren't big enough to do any serious cutting. And you'll go nuts refilling the tanks all the time; where are you going to go when you run out of gas at 9:00 pm?

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Lee

07-29-2004 20:30:19

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Re: torch advise in reply to matthew, 07-29-2004 20:11:14

Have a propane out fit cuts fine you use a larger tip bought it from sears and propane is a lot cheaper. have cut rail iron with this torch

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