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Bonnan Bui

11-15-2004 17:48:48




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I'm trying to restore new life in a Ford Bronco. The treads in the blind hole holding the starter to the flywheel housing are stripped. What is most practical, helicoil or expoxy?




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Bruster

11-19-2004 08:10:12




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 Re: stripped threads in reply to Bonnan Bui, 11-15-2004 17:48:48  
When repairing wiped put threads in diesel engines,(LOTS of vibration) I've always used HELI-COIL because their more accessable, and with a drop of LOC-TITE..... put it in, won't come out



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John Garner

11-17-2004 12:37:10




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 Spiral Thread Insert and alternatives in reply to Bonnan Bui, 11-15-2004 17:48:48  
Bonnan --

Spiral Thread Inserts (STIs -- the best-known brand of STI is Heli-Coil, there are several others) are pretty much "the usual" to repair stripped threads in the automotive world. There are other methods that are often better.

The biggest disadvantage to STIs is that they like to migrate. On through-holes, they'll sometimes they'll stick to the screw being installed and recess themselves into the hole or fall out from the other side of the workpiece. Sometimes they'll stick to a screw being removed and come out that way.

There's another issue with STIs that comes into play if the screw is stainless: galling. The vast majority of STIs are wound from stainless wire, and they really like to gall to stainless screws. If you absolutely must use a stainless screw with a stainless STI, be sure to use a good anti-seize compound.

A primary advantage of STIs is that they have a fairly small OD. A thread stripped out of a casting ear often doesn't have enough metal surrounding the hole to accept any sort of thread repair insert larger than an STI.

There is one solid thread repair insert that is little, if any, larger than an STI. Its tradename is Time-Sert, and it's slick.

A quick web search will turn up Time-Sert's website, and you can get a good look-see. Many performance-oriented automotive machine shops are set up to install Time-Serts, but beyond that they're pretty rare.

There are two varieties of solid thread repair inserts that tend to be thickwalled but are otherwise excellent.

The first, the "key-locking insert" (the best-known brand name is Keen-Sert), is turned into a larger-size tapped hole, and once in place two or more splines (the keys) are pressed along grooves on the OD of the insert through the tapped threads on the workpiece. The keys keep the insert from turning, and thereby lock it in place.

The second is a simple threaded sleeve that is held in the larger-size tapped hole with adhesive. Some ready-made versions are coated with an encapsulated adhesive that is released and mixed when it rubs against the inside of the tapped hole it threads into. Others, including homemade ones, are held into the tapped hole with an epoxy or Loc-Tite-type anaerobic adhesive that is used to coat the insert at the time of installation. One common brand of this type of insert is the Re-Nu-Thread, and the major advantage beyond being strong and well locked in place, is that the receiving hole is tapped using a standard-size tap rather than a special AND that the installation tooling can be as simple as a screw and nut that fits into the insert's internal thread.

Fans of the old air-cooled Volkswagens often call this last type of insert a "case saver".

My suggestion is to use a case saver in your Bronco if there's room for one, otherwise try for a Time-Sert, and only resort to a STI if you're desperate.

John

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Heat Houser

11-19-2004 14:36:28




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 Re: Spiral Thread Insert and alternatives in reply to John Garner, 11-17-2004 12:37:10  
I thought a heli-coil was a helix, not a spiral.
A spiral starts at a point and as it winds around and down, the diameter gets larger and larger.
A helix stays the same diameter as it winds around and down.



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John Garner

11-19-2004 15:07:16




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 Yes, but . . . in reply to Heat Houser, 11-19-2004 14:36:28  
Heat --

Your geometry is good, the wound-wire thread repair insert commonly spoken of by the trade name Heli-Coil is geometrically a helix, and it would be a pretty good bet that the guy who came up with the name Heli-Coil understood that.

Nevertheless, the common "generic" name for this type of insert is Spiral Thread Insert, or STI.

If you check the taps used to thread holes that accept Heli-Coil-type inserts, you'll find that only those taps marketed by Emhart's Heli-Coil division are labelled "Heli-Coil"; the other brands are marked "STI".

John

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Leland

11-16-2004 07:24:37




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 Re: stripped threads in reply to Bonnan Bui, 11-15-2004 17:48:48  
If you have motor out just replace bell housing,or if hole is drilled all the way thru I have used a longer bolt with a loc nut not one of fords better ideas.



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Big Jim

11-15-2004 22:04:03




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 Re: stripped threads in reply to Bonnan Bui, 11-15-2004 17:48:48  
Helicoil is the best choice, especially for bolts going into cast. The helicoil will be stronger than the original threads. The profile of a helicoil is such that, as you tighten the bolt, it is forced outward so it makes 100% contact with the base material and the bolt is riding on hard stainless rather than soft iron.



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John *.?-!.* cub owner

11-15-2004 19:59:38




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 Re: stripped threads in reply to Bonnan Bui, 11-15-2004 17:48:48  
I've used helicoils in a couple applications, and would definitely go with that type repair.



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Davis In SC

11-15-2004 18:09:07




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 Re: stripped threads in reply to Bonnan Bui, 11-15-2004 17:48:48  
Helicoil would be much better.... If there is adequate wall around the hole, it would be even better to use a thread insert that has the orinal size on the ID and a larger thread on the outside.



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Ray,IN

11-15-2004 21:29:45




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 Re: stripped threads in reply to Davis In SC, 11-15-2004 18:09:07  
I think you'll be quite pleased with the "heli-coil" brand thread repair inserts. The special tap is the smallest size thread repair on the market-ie: it removes the least amount of metal when cutting the special size for the insert.



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

11-16-2004 15:13:10




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 Re: stripped threads in reply to Ray,IN, 11-15-2004 21:29:45  
Can you drill and tap for the next sized bolt?



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Ray,IN

11-16-2004 20:16:19




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 Re: stripped threads in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 11-16-2004 15:13:10  
I double checked in Machinery's handbook, and if the thread was 1/2-13 and stripped out the threads entirely, a 9/16-12 tap will cut threads in the hole without drilling it out more. The tap drill for a 9/16-12 tap is 31/64". Will a 9/16 bolt fit through the starter mounting flange hole though? If not a heli-coil is the best option if there is enough material to support a larger hole.



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