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randy martin jr

11-23-2004 18:23:42




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hey guys i was just wandering if you could help me with what i need to buy for tools for diesel mechanics . i bought a 3250$ mac tools roller box and i got some wrenches but i was wandering what you guys all would think i might need and where to get im going for farm disel and semi diesl and construction diesle all in one so there might be a carrer in all the spots for me i am really famieller with farm and semis already but i dont know everything so i figured i could just as well go to school for it

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Bruster

11-26-2004 09:06:17




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 Re: tools for disel mechanics in reply to randy martin jr , 11-23-2004 18:23:42  
Hey! Just an afterthought. See if the Mac tool man will take the roll cab back (along with your money back) and check out Hobo's & Davis's followups I don't want to cause hard feelings, but IF you do not have any practical experiance as a mechanic, and you have no dealer that will send you to company sponcered schools....ENROLL IN A TECH SCHOOL! Even with schooling, if you don't have experiance working in a repair shop or dealership, you will start out w/ oil changes, tires, and helping with other mechanics AGAIN -- The days of "running the rack" on diesels is not where to earn a good living so, if you know nothing about: braking systems, fuel systems, air supply systems, suspentions, electronic diesel engines, air shift trannys,automatic trannys, electric over air shifting systems, anti lock brake systems, A/C systems (and certification)
Buy a basic set and go to a GOOD diesel school

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Davis In SC

11-24-2004 20:20:11




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 Re: tools for disel mechanics in reply to randy martin jr , 11-23-2004 18:23:42  
Just An Idea, this is how I have accumulated more tools than I will ever need..... Since I was a teenager, I was always on the lookout for tools, mainly toolboxes full. These can be found at flea markets, yard sales, & in the want ads. I would buy them, keep the good ones I wanted, (SK, Mac, Snap-On, etc) Sell the rest, often I ended up with a bunch of good tools & a profit selling the leftovers !!! Many times a retired Mechanic/Machinist,etc will give a younger person quite a deal on tools, because they are carrying on the trade they were in.....

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Trucker

11-24-2004 19:14:00




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 Re: tools for disel mechanics in reply to randy martin jr , 11-23-2004 18:23:42  
I think you ought to spend money on tools first ,box later.Since you allready know some about what you are doing you know what you need for most stuff,wrenches,and that means good quality wrenches,get as big a set as you can,at least up to 1 inch,and then get a set of really big ones from Sears.You dont use the real big ones as much,and Craftsman work good for these.Then I would have a good set of high quality sockets 3/8 drive short,and deep both,inch and metric.After that,a set of 1/2 drive short and deep impact sockets,inch and metric.I would buy as powerfull of a 1/2 inch drive impact as I could afford,also a 3/8 drive impact and set of short inch and metric sockets for it.I think you would want a brass punch,a set of punches fairly long,a couple of chisels,and a holder for the chisels.A good 2 pound hammer,and a couple of ball pein hammers.I would look at Harbor Freight or some place for a set of line wrenches that fit on a rachet,and some long extensions.I would buy a good set of line wrenches from Snap on or Mac.Also if you can buy your main wrenches like a set up to 3/4 from Snap on or Mac.All the rest can come from Craftsman except you may want to invest in Snap on or Mac for your 3/8 drive sockets,and maybe for the short 1/2 inch set.Rachets from Craftsman actually held up better for me than Snap on.I would think about a 1/2 inch drive air rachet,a few oil filter wrenches,and a set of those sockets that fit odd size plugs you find on diesel engines.Another thing that saves a lot of greif is a set of metric and inch thread chasers,inside and out.A thread file works too but its a lot slower,and to be a mechanic today you need to be fast,and good.Mostly use an impact anywhere you can,but use good sockets so you dont loose time with rounded bolt heads.Craftsman makes good sockets,but if I broke a Craftsman on anything,I would replace it with a Snap on if I could afford it.You need to put back money each week for tools for about 3 years,then after I felt like I had all the tools I needed,I might buy a high dollar box.You might get lucky and catch a box on sale,or somebody that wants to quit being a mechanic for a lot less sometime in the 3 years you are buying more tools. As I once had a shop of my own,and if I saw the tools I mentioned in your toolbox,and you need to organize everything as good as you can,I wouldnt care much what your toolbox looked like,I would know you were serious about being a mechanic. You can have a fancy box and a bunch of tools that you never use and spend lots of money on stuff you dont need,and still not be a good mechanic. The method you do a job from start to finish,the attention you pay to it,no matter how hard the work is,or what time it is,and whether or not you take pride in your work,and your tools,is what makes you a mechanic or not.Plus a lot of feel for what you are doing,a little luck doesnt hurt either. I took time to torque every bolt I thought needed it,then start it up and run it,shut it down and torque it again. Stuff like that,and trying to figure out what went wrong in the first place,then fix that if I could,makes a big difference in what you have when you get done,Rework costs too much. You still have to be fast,and you still need to do things as good as you can to make it. You allways have to learn,and have the ability to admit when you are wrong.Lots of people are allright mechanics,but you cant tell them anything,as time goes on they become bad mechanics.They can do the work,but they are so slow they arent any good.About every shop has a guy like that.They keep him around because he has experience,but they count on somebody else to make them money. Also school is good,but in real life you learn by doing.Unless you have a good teacher,and you are in tune with what you are learning,it could be a waste of time.The best way to learn is by working with a good mechanic. That might not allways be possible,but I could write the proceedure for overhauling a Detroit Diesel engine here,or how to rebuild a 10 speed Roadranger,but if you saw me do it what I wrote wouldnt look like what I do. Its a lot of hard work to be a mechanic,not a job that a lot of people can do. It sure makes you feel good when you take a piece of junk and turn it into something as good or better than it was to start with.

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Hobo,NC

11-24-2004 16:49:39




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 Re: tools for disel mechanics in reply to randy martin jr , 11-23-2004 18:23:42  
Its hard to tell'ya zackly were to start. Get the basic stuff first. I recommend most to start out with a good craftsman set and then upgrade as needed. you can get a very good starter set that will have a little of everything you will need for less the 3K. If you go to the high end sellers 3K will only have ya in dept to them and you want'n to buy more but find its all you can do to make a payment to'em. As you upgrade you will be able to take the craftsman set home and use it their. You also can not afford to loose what ya have. Get in the habit of wipe'N off your tools and putt'N them back in your tool box after each job. I try and do this before the vehicle is backed out of my stall, it also helps me remember if I forgot to tighten sum'n and if i left a tool under the hood. A good tool box to me is worth its weight in gold. You will need to organize each drawer and not throw a bunch of tools in their. a tool box will pay for its self if you have it so when you open a drawer you can see what ya got and what is MISS"N. My favorite tools are #1) 1/4 drive sockets and universals. 2) Universal impact sockets. 3) all air wrenches 4) gear wrenches all of'em. 5)long handle pliers all types. Thats just top 5 and it goes on and on. Good luck and learn to work clean.

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MF is the BEST

11-24-2004 14:18:35




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 Re: tools for disel mechanics in reply to randy martin jr , 11-23-2004 18:23:42  
not much future if you cant even spell it



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rotten robert

11-24-2004 19:42:03




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 Re: tools for disel mechanics in reply to MF is the BEST, 11-24-2004 14:18:35  
Yep he"s already heading down a bad road with the mis - spelling. Might just be able to get a job as a shop foreman though.



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Bruster

11-24-2004 10:51:12




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 Re: tools for disel mechanics in reply to randy martin jr , 11-23-2004 18:23:42  
NC Wayne is correct about one thing for sure, buy a smaller, less expensive tool box to start off with. I'm pushing 30 years as a truck mechanic, starting off as a farm/construction mechanic. GET ALL your BASIC tools you will need. I have no chrome sockets in my tool box ( I use air for 98% of everything I do ) truck engines are so computer dependant since the mid '90s , schooling IS the smart direction to go. as far as tools,....start slow, buy good quality lifetime warrenty tools, start with the basics and build from there. GOOD LUCK!!

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T_Bone

11-24-2004 01:37:21




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 Re: tools for disel mechanics in reply to randy martin jr , 11-23-2004 18:23:42  
Hi Randy,

What my son did was put away $70 per week for tools and paid cash for what ever he bought. No credit purchase at all! Our Christmas and Birthday gifts to him were always cash so he could choose what he needed.

He bought what he needed from a "list" of what he had to keep borrowing from other mechanics. He just didn't buy random tools that he thought "might" be needed but only tools "known" to be needed.

He started with a Craftsman 12 drawer red chest, roll away and a basic set of hand tools that He bought on sale, around $600.

After 3yrs he had over $18000 in to a Mac? chest/roll away filled with top line tools he "needed" and that was paid for. He's no longer a diesel mechanic but still owns $18k of fine tools to work on his new diesel pick-up...lol

T_Bone

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Irv

11-24-2004 00:01:39




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 Re: tools for disel mechanics in reply to randy martin jr , 11-23-2004 18:23:42  
I am not a diesel mechanic, but when I was starting out in the the tool & die field, the general understanding on borrowing tools was " Borrow once, Buy it the 2nd time." In other words don't make a habit of borrowing. I agree, the tools are more important than the toolbox. Irv



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Big Jim

11-23-2004 21:45:04




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 Re: tools for disel mechanics in reply to randy martin jr , 11-23-2004 18:23:42  
If you are going to take classes, most schools have a tool list of required tools to attend the school. The one around here is Denver Automotive and Diesel College. I know they put out stuff for prospective students. You might see if they have a web site.



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NC Wayne

11-23-2004 21:06:02




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 Re: tools for disel mechanics in reply to randy martin jr , 11-23-2004 18:23:42  
No disrespect here, but personally I'd take the $3250 MAC box back, buy a less expensive (but still quality) box, and spend the money on tools to fill it. I've been doing mechanic work all my life and over the years have gone into alot of different shops where that seems to be the biggest mistake I see the new guys making. They buy these huge boxes and then have no tools to fill them with. Most of the old timers won't mind loaning out their special tools once in a while, but when it comes to the common stuff they aren't gonna let go but a few times before they start wondering why you had so much money for a box and then don't have any tools of your own..... You know you need the basics, wrenches, sockets (impact and chrome), etc in both standard and metric sizes. From there add on things... Wrenches--- 6 poiners, racheting, obstruction wrenches, crowsfoot wrenches, etc.---Sockets- Swivels, either some square or 8 pointers for pipe plugs, Weather head sockets for those right angle fittings (especially on the older Detroits), swivel extensions(one of the nicest things I've seen lately), a set of inserts NAPA offers that goes into the socket and makes it where you can drive it with a wrench, sockets to fit the newer torx head bolts, etc, etc, etc. Then onto things like pipe wrenches, strap wrenches, chain wrenches (really handy are the ones made by Vice-grip that you can clamp tight, pin spanners, hook spanners, etc etc etc. Then add to that all the specialized tooling for the different brand engines and then some. There are way too many different tools out there to even begin to give a comprehensive list of what you might need beyond the basics. The main thing is to keep your eyes open and see what the other guys are using all the time and make sure you have at least those tools so your not having to constantly borrow theirs and then add from there as the need arises. I don';t know if you live near a large city but around here I constantly hit the pawn shops and between them and Ebay I've managed to get most of my tools at very cheap prices. Also don't overlook store brands like Northern Tools and NAPA's Evercraft stuff. I have a dukes mixture of stuff from the expensive MAC, Snap-On, and Proto to the cheap "special, bendable, special wreches) as well as alot of the inbetween stuff from Northern, NAPA, and Craftsman and I've never had any complaints with any of it. To me if it looks like a quality tool and feels good in my hand I'll buy it. If I can get it for a reasonable price, so much the better. Hope this helps you out some in your decision making, and good luck.

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Leland

11-24-2004 06:14:31




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 Re: tools for disel mechanics in reply to NC Wayne, 11-23-2004 21:06:02  
Belive it or not join army and let them train you ,have a buddy he built a tool collection 1 piece at a time and now they are using tools left and right and can't keep track of them.



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GIS

11-24-2004 07:09:37




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 Re: tools for disel mechanics in reply to Leland, 11-24-2004 06:14:31  
If you know what kind of diesels specifically youll be working on you may want to start looking for some injector height gauges.



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