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stuck

01-13-2005 14:30:44




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I am taking the battery box off of a SM Farmall, the one that sit under the seat. I have three of the bolts out and you can guess, one is real stubborn. It has a rusted head of course from the dirt and battery dust. I have soaked it with blaster for three days and then applied heat to the head and the let cool and put the 7/8 impact on with a 1/2 drive 6pt, and back and forward,back and forward, finally the 6 pts were smooth. Now, this maybe a hairy brainy idea but if it does not work I can always cut it off with a torch. How about taking the deep well 6 pt
socket and chopping off the 1/2 drive part and putting the remainder part over the head of the 7/8 and welding it to the bolt head,down from the top with a 6011 deep penatrating welding rod,then putting two 7/8 nuts on a bolt and welding together and putting it in the top part of the deep well socket that is welded on to the head of the stubborn bolt and applying the impact to the nuts sticking out of the deep well. confusing I know but will it maybe,just maybe work. It would be an extented head on the bolt. I have tried welding a nut on the head of the bolt but just not enough contact weld with the head of the bolt. Thank for your pros or cons on the idea. I have never did this before and thought it just might work. 7/8 socket is big enough to weld inside of. All, so a little expensive to ruin a deep well but the end result could and would be worth it.

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ken hortman

01-23-2005 18:05:18




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 stud / bolt removel in reply to stuck, 01-13-2005 14:30:44  
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farmweld

01-14-2005 05:17:06




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 Re: Stubborn stuck bolt in reply to stuck, 01-13-2005 14:30:44  
i just bash the heck out of most bolts that are stubborn, but wont hurt anything if you should happen to hit. if it dont come out get a bigger hammer.



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matthies

01-13-2005 20:33:26




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 Re: Stubborn stuck bolt in reply to stuck, 01-13-2005 14:30:44  
If you can swing a hammer at it do it. I've removed alot of stubborn bolts by hitting with a hammer/punch. Hit square on the head as possible it seems to work the threads. Removed alot of manifold bolts this way. chris



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oldart

01-13-2005 19:36:40




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 Re: Stubborn stuck bolt in reply to stuck, 01-13-2005 14:30:44  
try drilling the head offthe bolt then remove the partond then drill the bolt out and retap the hole this may save time.



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stuck

01-13-2005 17:26:28




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 Re: Stubborn stuck bolt in reply to stuck, 01-13-2005 14:30:44  
I think I will try the washer and nut deal first.
As long as I dont ruin the head of the bolt to much. The system that I was going to use was just a thought. It may work and maybe not. If someone could come up with a no fault result you could make thousands. Heat makes a world of difference, it is amazing, along with looseners.
Thank you for all the reponses and help. I really dont know what I would do with out all the help I have received from this board. Thanks again and you all have luck in the future.

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Andy Rumade

01-13-2005 16:57:47




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 Re: Stubborn stuck bolt (look) in reply to stuck, 01-13-2005 14:30:44  
Ok, listen there is this stuff called Aero-Kroil it is the best out there garunteed it even has a warrantee that if it doesn't loosen you tightest corroded metal parts you get your money back. Now, it is a bit more expensive, but it is worth it.

-Andy



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old dude

01-13-2005 16:39:59




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 Re: Stubborn stuck bolt in reply to stuck, 01-13-2005 14:30:44  
better off welding an over size washer to the rounded bolt head then a nut to the washer the heat will allow the stud to expand while the stud is still hot quench it with water the stud will cool fast and shrink you should be able to turn it out provided it wasn"t cross threaded when it was installed - old millwright trick- LOL



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Bernie in MA

01-13-2005 16:24:24




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 Re: Stubborn stuck bolt in reply to stuck, 01-13-2005 14:30:44  
I've gotten broken-off bolts out by welding a flat washer on first, then welding a nut on top.



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Jason(ma)

01-13-2005 16:12:36




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 Re: Stubborn stuck bolt in reply to stuck, 01-13-2005 14:30:44  
I think I follow what your saying. Not enough room to get a good plug weld a regular size nut. Your saying the deep socket would give more room to get a good weld. Then your puting two nuts welded to a bolt into the deep well socket so you have a way to turn the deep well socket/stuck bolt. Sounds complicated but I think it'll work.

With my Mig gun I can slow the feed down and turn up the heat enough to get decent penetration(sp) in a situation like this, but sounds like your using a stick welder.

Have you tried a metric 6 pt, or are thing REALLY rounded.

Sears sells a set of special sockets called bolt out that I think would work in this situation, but only goes up to 3/4. Maybe Snap-on sells one.

Are you using an air impact? That pounding action helps a lot in getting things loose.

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JSinIL

01-13-2005 15:57:17




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 Re: Stubborn stuck bolt in reply to stuck, 01-13-2005 14:30:44  
sears craftsman part#52166 bolt/nut remover. They work very very well. Destroys the nut/bolt but it will remove it fairly easy. I used them to remove the very very rusted front lugs on a WD45 with the original rims/tires when everything I tried just made the bolts round and smooth.



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Jason(ma)

01-13-2005 16:16:24




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 Re: Stubborn stuck bolt in reply to JSinIL, 01-13-2005 15:57:17  
what size does that one go up to? Mine from last years catalog #52162 stops at 3/4. I'd like to pick up a larger one if possible.



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