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3010 Ken

06-10-2005 04:13:06




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Hey Mr.Old;I read in your recent post about welding rods that you are a retired welder.I was wondering about the 7014 welding rods you mentioned.Are they the ac equivalent of the 7018 rods for dc machines?I have an old ac machine in my shop at home that I burn mostly 6011 rods with.Also,will these 7014 rods weld vertically as well as horizontally?I've tried welding vertically with 7018's on a dc machine at work and realized it must take a lot of practice and know how.My welding skills are limited and I could use some pointers.Thanks. Kenny

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Stan in Oly, WA

06-10-2005 14:12:13




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 Re: Question for Old in reply to 3010 Ken, 06-10-2005 04:13:06  
Hi, Ken,

Seems like you got good information, and lots of it. Here are a couple of points I didn't see anyone else mention.

7018 is coated with extra iron powder in the flux. It is a low hydrogen rod that needs to be left sealed until you are ready to use it, then kept in a heated container. If it picks up moisture from the air, the porosity of the weld will more than undo the benefit of the extra 10,000 psi tensile strength.

7018 is a poor performer on AC, and 7018AC is just kind of a poor performer.

7014 is coated with iron powder titania. It is an all position, high deposition, 70,000 psi electrode that runs well on AC and doesn't require special handling (stores okay at room temp.)

Both 7018 and 7014 are mild penetrating rods, whereas 6010 and 6011 are deep penetrating. Keep in mind that you only get the benefit of the extra 10,000 psi for what's welded. You don't even have to do the math to figure out that 100% penetration with 6010 is going to be a stronger weld than 50% pentration with 7014 or 7018.

Don't hesitate to correct me if I'm wrong here, T_Bone. I don't have a lifetime of real world experience behind me like you do. What I have is an inquiring mind, and the opportunity to run hours and hours of destructive testing under reasonably controlled conditions. Nothing I've been able to devise has worked out much different from just about what it was supposed to.

All the best, Stan

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old

06-10-2005 08:11:29




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 Re: Question for Old in reply to 3010 Ken, 06-10-2005 04:13:06  
I use the 7014 rod with an old licoln buzz box, and I weld any way I need to even at times almost standing on my head so to speak. I just rebuilt a bobcat bucket the other day with them, I used about 7-lbs of rod on that one, but I'm sure its never going to brake in my life time as it did befroe. I used 1/4 inch plate for the bottom and boy its sure a lot more bucket then that 371 ever had before. My DC welder is a 225 lincoln with an onan 2 cylinder engine and I us the 7018 with it, the 7018 is a little more tricky to use but I have found it does make a nice weld. Another reason I use the 7014 and 7018 rod is because its a 70,000 lbs rod and the 6011 or 6013 is a 60,000lbs rod so I just plain prefer the extra 10,000 of gut in the rod

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3010 Ken

06-10-2005 09:20:54




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 Re: Question for Old in reply to old, 06-10-2005 08:11:29  
Thanks Mr. Old.I'm gonna get by the welding supply next week and pick up a can! Kenny



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RustyFarmall

06-10-2005 04:38:15




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 Re: Question for Old in reply to 3010 Ken, 06-10-2005 04:13:06  
I am not a pro welder nor have I ever been but I have found the 7014 rods to work the best with my AC machine.



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3010 Ken

06-10-2005 07:19:59




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 Re: Question for Old in reply to RustyFarmall, 06-10-2005 04:38:15  
Thanks Rusty!I made a rod oven out of an old gott water cooler.I have enough room for 50# of rods but did'nt want to spend the money until I knew which rods would work. Kenny



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