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55 50

12-02-2005 15:13:06




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I"ve noted on new compressors at the local places, Menards, Fleet Farm etc that new compressors are labeled slightly different. Have seen SCFM and CFM for the volume of air. Are they the same? If not, what is the difference?




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Glenn F.

12-03-2005 15:59:30




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 Re: Air compressor ratings in reply to 55 50, 12-02-2005 15:13:06  
Unless I missed it, I didn't read anything about duty cycle. I would sure think the average "Menards" compressor would be a blob on the floor if you ran it continuously for 8-10 hours like you can an old Quincy or the like. My two old compressors ar slow running but are "indestructible." Glenn F.



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Ken Combs

12-03-2005 15:19:58




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 speed vs CFM in reply to 55 50, 12-02-2005 15:13:06  
Another issue is the way some arrive at CFM ratings. Given a compressor of a certain size, the CFM will almost double if the speed is doubled. But, it's expected lifetime goes down also.

Ignore HP as others have said, but look at the amp draw to approximate HP or compare one to another. I've seen a lot of 15 amp 5 hp compressors recently but that is just impossible!



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Rod (NH)

12-03-2005 14:34:09




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 Re: Air compressor ratings in reply to 55 50, 12-02-2005 15:13:06  
HI,

You really cannot go much by current hp ratings in the under 10 hp class. There is an awful lot of competition in that market and many manufacturers try to inflate their "ratings" by using a meaningless, non-standard high hp rating. You can only go by cfm rating and you have to be careful there. No compressor can be properly rated in terms of scfm (standard cubic feet per minutre). Compressors are properly rated in terms of inlet cfm, icfm or just plain cfm, which, in this particular case, is interpreted to mean cfm at the pressure and temperature conditions existing at the intake to the machine. This is sometimes referred to as "free air" cfm. When the pressure at the intake is normal atmospheric pressure at sea level and the temperature is 70 deg F, then cfm is the same as scfm.

The atmospheric pressure has a much greater influence on the actual delivery in terms of scfm than the temperature does. For instance, a 15 cfm rated compressor at sea level will have a delivered capacity of 15 scfm. That same compressor, located in Denver, CO., has the same 15 cfm rating (remember, this is volume at the intake conditions - whatever they may be) but has a delivered capacity of about 12 scfm - a 20% reduction caused by the lower atmospheric air pressure at the higher altitude. This is why compressors should never be "rated" in terms of scfm - that rating could change depending on where the compressor was located. Don"t forget also that a dirty intake filter will have the same effect as moving the compressor to a higher altitude - it will reduce the compressor capacity in terms of scfm. The delivered scfm is also slightly dependent on the discharge pressure because of efficiency changes in the compressor as the discharge pressure increases, but that"s another subject altogether.

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Tractroman1

12-03-2005 13:59:32




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 Re: Air compressor ratings in reply to 55 50, 12-02-2005 15:13:06  
This thread is timley as I am looking for an air compressor. I noticed the HP game they are playing with unsuspecting consumers.
I think I need an 80 gal., approx 15 CFM and two stage. I use it at my shop for anything from blasting cabinet to air tools. Typically there is only one tool at a time, but I like to be on the safe side.
Anyone that can save me the tireless duty and recommend one would be appreciatted.

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Charles (in GA)

12-04-2005 06:31:20




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 Re: Air compressor ratings in reply to Tractroman1, 12-03-2005 13:59:32  
There are several good units in the true 5 hp (thats about 23-25 amps If I recall) with two stage and 80 gal tank. Cheaper ones are splash lubed and pumps are rated for 15,000 hrs or so, probably more than the average non-commerical user will ever use. More expensive ones have pressure lube, better valves, better motor, etc.

IR, Champion, Quincy, C-H, Speedaire, Dayton.

www.tptools.com has very good units, but shipping will eat you up no matter who you buy from if its not local. Look at local deals if you can, so you can haul it home and save the shipping.

Unless the compressor is going to run several hours a day every day, I would not get too hung up on pressure lube, auto drains, super duper this and that, buy a good brand and use it.

I have a Home Depot Husky (a relabeled Campbell-Hausfeld) that is true 7 hp (mexican motor) and 80 gal vert tank and two stage pump (both american made) good unit about 24 cfm but C-H has changed the unit and the near identical looking pump appears to be China made now.

Charles

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Coldiron

12-03-2005 08:13:10




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 Re: Air compressor ratings in reply to 55 50, 12-02-2005 15:13:06  
55 50, I agree, the main thing is the Cubic Feet of Air output per min or Standard CFM. and not the HP. I have seen advertisements for smaller cfm compressors on large tanks for a lot more money than larger cfm compressors on smaller tanks. It pays to know what you need. Also important is line size or hose size. Only a given amount of air can flow through a line size at a given pressure.



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Charles (in GA)

12-02-2005 19:05:12




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 Re: Air compressor ratings in reply to 55 50, 12-02-2005 15:13:06  
" A home/farm/garage user can just about purchase based on HP,"

If you were in industrial compressor sales, this might be true, but given the wild claims for PEAK horsepowers, and with honest RUNNING horespower on consumer compressors, being is half or less of the peak, I tell people to don't bother to try to look at HP, unless you know what the true running hp is. Ignore any peak numbers you see and if they don't tell you "peak" or "running", pass.

Charles

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RustyFarmall

12-03-2005 07:35:49




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 Re: Air compressor ratings in reply to Charles (in GA), 12-02-2005 19:05:12  
I had to read this thread several times before it made any sense, guess it's too early in the morning. Charles, I agree 100%, those outlandish claims for horsepower mean absolutely nothing to the homeowner/hobbiest. What is important is the CFM rating, and maybe the second most important is storage capacity of the tank.



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KYfarm

12-02-2005 16:21:16




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 Re: Air compressor ratings in reply to 55 50, 12-02-2005 15:13:06  
I used to sell industrial compressors and can tell you that the difference would never be noticed to a home user. SCFM is "standard" CFM, meaning at an exact temperature, altitude and humidity. Unless you are running a bank of several compressors of hundreds of HP each it just doesn"t matter. A home/farm/garage user can just about purchase based on HP, but always get one with a cast iron pump or at least a cast iron sleeve as opposed to all aluminum. Aluminum can"t handle the heat of hard use.

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