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bob townsend

12-11-2005 14:42:22




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I am looking to buy a new tap&die set I like good tools and want made in USA only, can anyone suggest a brand name? I have been looking on ebay but its kind of like buying a pig in a poke. Also the most hardware stores only seem to have chinese stuff. What is Matco?




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John Garner

12-14-2005 12:56:20




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 Why a set? in reply to bob townsend, 12-11-2005 14:42:22  
bob --

A good tap and die set is very expensive, and very few people use all of the pieces. It might be wiser to buy just the pieces that you know you'll use, with extras of the ones you'll use the most, and leave the once-in-a-blue-moon stuff in the store until you actually need it.

I would suggest buying only ground-thread spiral-point taps made of high-speed steel for general use. The spiral-point tap is intended to be machine driven, and the point is ground to push the chip down the hole ahead of the tap. Because of this, the tap works best if the hole is drilled all the way through the workpiece or, if blind, substantially deeper than the thread will be cut. On the other hand, the tap won't choke on its own chips . . . there's none of the half-a-turn-forward-and-half-a-turn-back rigmarole, just turn the tap into the hole.

Good taps are available from any mill supply house, including the mail order houses such as J&L Industrial, MSC, and Travers Tool, but won't be found at any normal hardware store or tool truck. Brands to look for -- in no particular order -- would include Brubaker, Regal Beloit, OSG, Sosner, Reiff & Nestor, Uhring, Union-Butterfield, Hanson-Whitney, Morse, Greenfield, Emudge, and probably others that escape me at the moment.

When it comes to dies, adjustable dies are better than non-adjustable BUT carry with them the possibility that a thread cut with a too-open die won't fit a tapped hole. I think all of the companies I mention for taps except Reiff & Nestor make dies.

Unless you have good ones already, buy yourself good tap wrenches and die stocks while you're spending money. General Hardware's tap wrenches are superb for the price, but there are other good brands also.

John

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slowfolk

12-14-2005 06:02:57




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 Re: tapdie in reply to bob townsend, 12-11-2005 14:42:22  
I would look for taps,dies and drills with HSS stamped on them. High speed steel will out last carbon steel.



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Fred OH

12-13-2005 13:15:05




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 Re: tapdie in reply to bob townsend, 12-11-2005 14:42:22  
Wouldn"t bother me a bit to buy high carbon steel tap and die set for a home shop. The high speed is made for production work and hold up longer. You probably won"t use them like in a shop that gets used everyday. For threading brass, bronze, aluminum, hot and cold rolled steel...the high carbon works just fine. I would take a chance and buy the SAE and the Metric 45 piece sets from Harbor Freight...about 60 to 80 bucks each+ sh. My reason for making these statements is...for many years thats all we used....and just between you and me I think it"s easier to break a high speed tap or die than the carbon steel. I don"t think you would need the gold plated stuff that they claim makes them last longer especially on twist drills cause the first time you sharpen them...the most important part on the cutting lip is gone. Just an old machinist"s opinion. Fred OH

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bob townsend

12-13-2005 03:56:14




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 Re: tapdie in reply to bob townsend, 12-11-2005 14:42:22  
OK guys! thanks for the advice.



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Grub0927

12-12-2005 16:32:27




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 Re: tapdie in reply to bob townsend, 12-11-2005 14:42:22  
My Mac tap and die set is filled with Ace Hansen stuff. Our True Value hardware store carries Hansen products and they worked just fine. Stay with high speed steel and no high carbon (can you say Harbor Freight?)
Every full turn turn back a half turn to break your chips and use lots of lubricant or your next post will be about broken taps and how to remove them :)



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mechman

12-11-2005 19:34:09




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 Re: tapdie in reply to bob townsend, 12-11-2005 14:42:22  
I have no problem with mac,matco,snap-on or cornwell, or any of the other truck tool sheds. They are all good quality tools with a lifetime guarentee. However, they are VERY expensive!! Craftsman brand is also replaceble for life and is pretty reasonably priced. I agree that with something like a tap and die set, quality is important. most will come with a t-handle or 2, and a couple of pitch gauges. try to get a combination standard and metric set. This will eliminate having to buy 2 sets. Also get some good tap sockets. These are good for tight spaces that a t-handle wont fit into. good luck.

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bradk

12-11-2005 19:03:02




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 Re: tapdie in reply to bob townsend, 12-11-2005 14:42:22  
Hi Bob,I'd say bite the bullet and get a set off a tool truck like Mac,Snap-on,Matco or Cornwell.You'll have to pay more,but anytime you break one,they warranty it for you for life.They have the replacements on hand,so there's no waiting for ordered replacements.~brad



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DL

12-11-2005 16:01:01




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 Re: tapdie in reply to bob townsend, 12-11-2005 14:42:22  
Hey Bob, Which ever brand you decide on, I'd spend the extra $$ to buy high speed steel (instead of high carbon). We use taps daily at work & the shop manager ONLY buys the best... sure makes a difference. Regards, DL



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MAC,IL

12-11-2005 15:38:53




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 Re: tapdie in reply to bob townsend, 12-11-2005 14:42:22  
Matco is on a par with MAC. seems danaher tool co may be owns or makes the tools. If you want GOOD taps and dies, check out Morse tool. Think they are still USA. But they are more expensive and you have a variety of tool steels. I have used morse tools for many years. Probably some others are as good, but thats my preference.



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