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fzbcheve

02-14-2006 08:47:59




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have two tubes of titanium that I would like to join into a cross for an ornament to wear they are 4mm by 34mm.
any suggestions how to do this.




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Bob - MI

02-16-2006 09:14:51




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 Re: titatium in reply to fzbcheve, 02-14-2006 08:47:59  
I sell aircraft parts in titanium alloy and I can tell you that is a very tricky material to handle at elevated temperatures. Beyond 1000 deg.F it starts absorbing oxygen out of the air and this embrittles it. When you see titanium jewelry that is blue tinted that is evidence of contamination on the alloy. Ok on jewelry but very bad on aircraft parts.

The best way to join titanium is TIG welding in an enclosed space that is filled with argon or some other inert gas. You can use a large plastic bag and just flow the argon through it to keep positive pressure on it and prevent the oxygen from entering it.

Aircraft parts are usually welded in chambers that have gloves mounted in the sides, kind of like a sand blast cabinet only the gloves are sealed. You have your hands in the rubber gloves and you look through a port hole in the side of the chamber. It looks like a labratory operation at first glance. Large parts are done in vacuum chambers to save on the cost of the argon.

You are probably sorry that you asked by now but for a jewelry application you may want to call around and see is you can find a jeweler that has a laser welder. This will give you high heat at minimum time exposure. It would be nice if they have experience with titanium.

The alloy sticks to almost anything that it comes in contact with at elevated temperatures and it may be possible to silver solder it but the joint will be brittle.

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fzbcheve

02-16-2006 17:53:51




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 Re: titatium in reply to Bob - MI, 02-16-2006 09:14:51  
Thank you for the nice repley. Will try to silver solder as I have some spare tubes to play with.



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Bob - MI

02-17-2006 09:03:08




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 Re: titatium in reply to fzbcheve , 02-16-2006 17:53:51  
No problem. Best of luck with this.



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KIP in MX

02-15-2006 17:57:24




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 Re: titatium in reply to fzbcheve, 02-14-2006 08:47:59  
Hereīs some choices.

Welding and joining methods appropriate to titanium include:
Arc Welding Processes, Tungsten Inert Gas (TIG), Metal Inert Gas (MIG), Plasma Arc (PAW).
Power Beam Processes, Laser and Electron Beam (EB)welding.
Resistance Welding, Spot, Seam and the Resista-CladTM cladding process.
Friction Welding, Rotary, Radial, Linear, Orbital, Stir, Stud and other specific jointing techniques.
Diffusion Bonding
Forge Welding
Explosive Bonding
Brazing
Soldering
Adhesive Bonding

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fzbcheve

02-16-2006 08:05:07




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 Re: titatium in reply to KIP in MX, 02-15-2006 17:57:24  
thank you for the come back. can titatiun be silver soldered ar brazed?
I get different answers.
thank you



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Stan in Oly, WA

02-15-2006 23:23:00




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 Re: titatium in reply to KIP in MX, 02-15-2006 17:57:24  
Hi KIP,

I suppose the question on everybody's mind is:
But can it do submerged arc welding? If so, would submerged arc or explosion welding be the better choice for making a small crucifix out of two titanium tubes?

What does MX stand for, Mexico?

Stan



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KIP in MX

02-16-2006 18:01:49




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 Re: titatium in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 02-15-2006 23:23:00  
Yes, itīs Mexico.

The only thing I know about titanium tube welding was an article on a guy who makes racing bicycle frames and he had Lexan (I think) boxes that he jigged the tubes inside and pumped it with argon or helium, then used a wire feed welder. Boxes had those gloves mounted like bead blast cabinets. For this project, notching the tubes and using a structural adhesive may be the easiest way.

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fepo69

02-15-2006 10:21:09




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 Re: titatium in reply to fzbcheve, 02-14-2006 08:47:59  
PL Premium ?



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buickanddeere

02-14-2006 16:14:20




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 Re: titatium in reply to fzbcheve, 02-14-2006 08:47:59  
silver solder



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fzbcheve

02-14-2006 18:48:49




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 Re: titatium in reply to buickanddeere, 02-14-2006 16:14:20  
can't silver solder titatium. it's non magnetic and it is rather slick.



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Stan(PA)

02-14-2006 11:58:20




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 Re: titatium in reply to fzbcheve, 02-14-2006 08:47:59  
Put a semi-circular groove in each piece at the point they will fit together. Then just wind some stainless wire around them to form an X at the joint. Should hold them together and add a little interest to the piece.



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cj3b_jeep

02-14-2006 11:54:14




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 Re: titatium in reply to fzbcheve, 02-14-2006 08:47:59  
JB Weld?



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