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Coloken

02-24-2006 07:23:18

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Couple of questions, About welders being both 3 phase and single phase. Do you mean that all 3 phase will run on single, or just some or many of them? that one on E-bay at 99 cent..when I pluged in shipping cosst it said 450 dollars... Been meaning to ask this for months. I have a 110 volt 130 amp wire welder (big mistake). Handy to use portable on the best extension cord I can find. Could I get a little better power out of it if I hooked a power factor capacitor across it? Approximatly what size? It pulls 20 to 30 amps.

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Coloken

02-25-2006 06:09:25

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thankse in reply to Coloken, 02-24-2006 07:23:18

thanks buickanddeere. Smart thought Stan.

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buickanddeere

02-24-2006 20:27:30

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Re: buickanddeere in reply to Coloken, 02-24-2006 07:23:18

You will have to look inside the welder but if it's a plain simple AC machine it can only use two live lines. Odds are that's what 90% of the e-bay welders are. A transformer to step your household 240 to 480 or 600 is cheap if you look around industrial office renovations. Some fancy DC welders will rectify using all three phases instead of two. A fairly beefy capacitor would be required to get the 5 amps or so required. It would be cheaper to just purchase a good 240V welder unless a cheap surplus capacitor appeared.

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Stan in Oly, WA

02-24-2006 12:48:31

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Re: buickanddeere in reply to Coloken, 02-24-2006 07:23:18

Hi Ken,
Another thing you might want to find out is whether the welder part (as opposed to the wire feed part) could be converted to 240V operation. Chicago Electric and other low end arc welders (constant current) sometimes come without a plug (or maybe with two, I don't actually know) so the owner can set it to operate as either a 120V or 240V machine. It might not be possible with a constant voltage welder like you have, but it wouldn't hurt to check.

Stan

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T_Bone

02-25-2006 06:51:46

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Re: buickanddeere in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 02-24-2006 12:48:31

Hi Ken,

You can buy a #10 x 25ft RV extension cord at Wally World for about $30. That helps a bunch.

To go along with Stan's thoughts, my recent thoughts on the small wire feeders as I have a SP100 that's pretty much useless on anything more than 16ga is they have a feeder motor capable of feeding wire for 200amps, is too clamp on another DC power supply on the output lug of the wire machine at about 100amps, then use the Mig machine for fine output amp control.

The Mig gun would have to be changed to handle the extra amperage output for continous welds on some machines.

The SP100 has blocking diodes on the output side of the x-former so I wouldn't have a concern about back feeding amps into the SP100. I don't know if all of the smaller machines are wired this way or not. Something that needs checked before adding more amperage.

T_Bone

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Coloken

02-25-2006 08:23:13

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Re: buickanddeere in reply to T_Bone, 02-25-2006 06:51:46

Hey T-bone, never thought of that. I have a SP130 which is "all most" a welder. And an old Airco DC130--one of the nicest little welder made. Worth 10 times the SP130. Think I will try what you suggest. Damxxx, just remembered...I'm dreaming again...got to keep my distance with my new ICD. Old is hell...
But thanks anyway, Kennyp

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Russel king

02-25-2006 12:46:07

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Re: buickanddeere in reply to Coloken, 02-25-2006 08:23:13

With my new ICD, was told not to weld ---- but if if it makes us live another 10 years that will be GREAT

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