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Compressed air filter downstream of regulator?

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630crazy

06-02-2006 14:19:35




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I bought a Speedaire Regulator and an in-line Filter for my Quincy compressor yesterday. In reading the info with the regulator it says that and I quote "A Speedaire filter should be installed downstream from the regulator." What's the difference? I would think the Regulator would last longer if it always had filtered air run through it. The filter has a 250 psi rating, so I know it will handle the unregulated pressure(175psi).

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Pappy

06-03-2006 19:30:55




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 Re: Compressed air filter downstream of regulator? in reply to 630crazy, 06-02-2006 14:19:35  
On my system, I installed the filter first, then regulator then one quick connect outlet, then the oiler, then another quick connect outlet. I can have clean air, oiled air at any pressure. Works for me. I use a separate hose for air tools connected to the oiled outlet.



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Ia Roy

06-03-2006 16:46:31




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 Re: Compressed air filter downstream of regulator? in reply to 630crazy, 06-02-2006 14:19:35  
When the air goes thru the regulator, when the pressure drops, it also cools the air, and when the air gets cooler, the moisture can condense out. That would make it easier to get out of the airstream.



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RickL

06-03-2006 10:31:21




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 Re: Compressed air filter downstream of regulator? in reply to 630crazy, 06-02-2006 14:19:35  
when I used to paint tractors I would always but the everything just ahead of where iQuickcoupled gun hose into worked fine that way. Ialways just had them in a quick couple setup. For just day to day use don't use anything except have a regualr airline coming out of bottom of tank where the drain petcock is alwasy located. When use this hose it alos drains the moisture best and simplest set i have rigged up. I oil just put oil in my tools and they are used daily all day long usually assembly equipment

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RickL

06-03-2006 10:31:14




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 Re: Compressed air filter downstream of regulator? in reply to 630crazy, 06-02-2006 14:19:35  
when I used to paint tractors I would always but the everything just ahead of where iQuickcoupled gun hose into worked fine that way. Ialways just had them in a quick couple setup. For just day to day use don't use anything except have a regualr airline coming out of bottom of tank where the drain petcock is alwasy located. When use this hose it alos drains the moisture best and simplest set i have rigged up. I oil just put oil in my tools and they are used daily all day long usually assembly equipment

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jeffcat

06-03-2006 08:13:14




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 Re: Compressed air filter downstream of regulator? in reply to 630crazy, 06-02-2006 14:19:35  
When you take them apart most regulators are dirt simple. A metal plate with a spring on top. Crank down on the screw and the pressure goes up. Actually they are kinda upside down and the spring holds the "disk" in the "body" shut and the screw pushes the metal plate open against the spring. STILL it is very simple and the only thing I can think of is CRUD getting into the body. Oil and high pressure air like to emulsify and gunk everything up. My two pennys worth. Jeffcat

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Richard Scott

06-02-2006 17:42:24




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 Re: Compressed air filter downstream of regulator? in reply to 630crazy, 06-02-2006 14:19:35  
Go to Link to see how a system should be laid out (assuming you have $$).



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Midwest redneck

06-02-2006 17:29:32




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 Re: Compressed air filter downstream of regulator? in reply to 630crazy, 06-02-2006 14:19:35  
It should be as follows: after the compressor. Dryer, refrigerated is the best and cheapest, but for us home shop guys a dryer isnt needed but be sure to drain the receiver tank. Then.... 1. Filter 2. Regulator 3. Lubricator. having another filter before an air line is okay too, to prevent messing up an expensive tool.



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Don L C

06-02-2006 20:03:13




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 Re: Compressed air filter downstream of regulator? in reply to Midwest redneck, 06-02-2006 17:29:32  
Be careful with using lubricators in line.....cant use this set up for painting.....I lub my air tools, buy putting the lub directly in the tool before I snap on the air hose..... Don



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Midwest redneck

06-03-2006 01:43:38




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 Re: Compressed air filter downstream of regulator? in reply to Don L C, 06-02-2006 20:03:13  
Oh yeah, Your right.....paint doesnt like oil. I was thinking about machine systems and automation.



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floyd self

06-02-2006 15:06:37




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 Re: Compressed air filter downstream of regulator? in reply to 630crazy, 06-02-2006 14:19:35  
The placement of a filter closer to the exit end of your air supply should give you drier cleaner air than if you placed a filter closer to the source. Condensation forms in the line between the source and the air tool you are operating.
I can't say if or how much the regulator is damaged without a pre-filter. I've never used one in that position.
Best of Luck



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T_Bone

06-04-2006 05:05:36




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 Re: Compressed air filter Condensastion Removal ! in reply to floyd self, 06-02-2006 15:06:37  
Hi All,

Last year a friend was having problems with moisture ruining his plasma cutter torch. I designed a small air dryer that worked well to cure this problem.

The basic design is a CU tubing coil inside of a tank of fluid used as a heat exchanger. Water works in non-freezing areas and anti-freeze for freezing areas. Keep the tank as cool as possible, out of the sun, away from shop heat, etc.

Air from the compressor is fed into the top of the heat exchanger where the chill from the water causes condensastion to form inside the exchanger thus droppping the condensasate to a "U" trap at the bottom of the heat exchanger where the moisture is removed via a automatic water drain valve.

Use a coil of 3/4" CU tubing. Stretch that coil out and install spacer bars on 3 sides of the coil to where the coils are seperated a 1/4" or better. A piece of 1/2" rigid CU pipe would work well to keep the coils seperate as well as hang the exchanger from the top of the tank or as feet on the bottom of the tank.

At the bottom of the coil bend a "U" trap. At the bottom of the "U" install a drip leg. I would think a couple 90º elbows and a "T" would also work to make the "U". Install a automatic water drain on the drip leg or a ball valve for manual draining. The condensastion drain extends thru the tank side wall to discharge the collected water.

The "U" trap must be located at the bottom of the exchanger coil. The air and condensastion pass over the drip leg of the "U" where the water drops into the drip leg to be removed and the air continues to the top of the tank to be connected to the main air supply line.

You can use a metal garbage can for the tank as that also supply's a lid to keep trash out of the cooling tank. The drain fitting can be welded to the tank.

The colder the tank water is the more moisture that will be removed from the air. Under most conditions for a common air supply for a home shop, the ideal air temperature discharge is 45ºf to remove 100% of the moisture. That would mean a typical tank water temperature would have to be about 40º to allow for exchanger inefficiency.

There's too many calculations to post for every possible air tempature and humidity conditions. I tried to figure a good general ball park area to work with and that was 45º to 55º coolant tempature. You can also add ice in the tank for summer time use. Just freeze 1gal jugs of water and sit them in the tank then refreeze as needed.

During the summer it would be a benefit to wrap the tank with insulation to keep tank heat gain to a minimum. Also I would use a small amount of anti-freeze in the cooling water to keep the tank and coils as clean as possible. Clean equals a higher heat transfer ratio.

So does it work? He stated he sees zero moisture at the last filter drain where before he was seeing alot of mositure at this filter.

You can also use a old refrigerator to run the heat exchanger coil thru. I still suggest the liquid heat exchanger as it's more efficent than a air to air exchanger. Just remember that the "U" trap has to be at the lowest point of the system.

T_Bone

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