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Delbert

06-22-2006 18:11:16




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If you were buying a new stick welder which one would you buy? I have an old forney that is about 70 years old works like a champ. I cut with it weld anything does great. Just wondering if there are any good welders out there. I have a wire welder so don,t need one of those. They don,t make them like they used to. Don,t know the model think it is a C 3 maybe. The plugins are in a line up and down each side. Just curious as to what new welder might be as good.

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buickanddeere

06-23-2006 19:57:55




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 Re: stick welder question in reply to Delbert, 06-22-2006 18:11:16  
I'll use an AC machine if there is some way to obtain an AC/DC welder. What a differenc ewith low hydrogen rods, very thin or very thick metal and welding verticals.



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dr.sportster

06-23-2006 13:39:09




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 Re: stick welder question in reply to Delbert, 06-22-2006 18:11:16  
Reread your second,third, and fifth sentences again.If I read it right you dont need a new welder.My wife said she needed a new fridge once.I told her the old one still gets cold.



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Bret4207

06-23-2006 05:49:17




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 Re: stick welder question in reply to Delbert, 06-22-2006 18:11:16  
I too have an ancient Forney and an even older Birdsell, both AC. I thought I "needed" an AC/DC machine. Used my nieghbors for a few days. Sorry, I just don"t see an enormus difference for the type of welding I"m doing. I also have the Forney spot welder rig that came with the welder 50-60 years ago. I don"t even know if I can get the rod anymore. I would like a Lincoln Ranger welder/generator set up for the portability and gen capabilities. That would be a huge investment and one I can"t make right now. Still, it"s nice to dream!

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mi mark

06-23-2006 04:45:22




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 Re: stick welder question in reply to Delbert, 06-22-2006 18:11:16  
I bought a miller portable 6-7 years ago and if you need generator capabilities you have it where as most other buzz boxes don't of coures I didn't have a welder till then i've used dads lincoln buzz box not bad but rod like 7018 is low hydrogen and is hard to get started with AC but is easy with DC just depends on how much you'll use it if the forneys working stay with it .



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woodache

06-25-2006 06:41:59




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 Next time youRe: stick welder question in reply to mi mark, 06-23-2006 04:45:22  
Next time you buy LH rod ask to get the AC rod.
They make it and what a difference using it.



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Stan in Oly, WA

06-22-2006 21:34:35




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 Re: stick welder question in reply to Delbert, 06-22-2006 18:11:16  
Hi Delbert,

If I had a great welder like that old Forney you've got, the only reason I'd be looking at buying another stick welder would be to get some capability the Forney doesn't have. Inverter welders are much smaller and lighter, and sometimes run on either 120 or 240 voltage. If the Forney is AC only, you might want to look for a welder with DC as well.

One of the stick welders I have is a Hobart 235/160 AC/DC Stickmate. When my only stick welder was a Lincoln 225 AC buzz box, I thought I had to have the DC option. Now that I have both, I'm pretty sure I could get by with AC only (you always think you need what you don't have.)

I like the fact that the duty cycle of the Hobart increases as you lower the amps. At 70% duty cycle (which I feel is about what you need to stick weld all you want, unless you never have to stop to chip slag) you can weld at 120 amps AC or 80 DC. Lincoln advertises a duty cycle of only 20% at all settings. Of course, it's common knowledge that you can safely ignore the duty cycle with the Lincoln---but still...

Hobart has infinite amp adjustment; you turn a crank to dial in the exact setting you want. Lincoln has fixed settings; if you think 115 amps AC is too low and 130 amps is too high for what you're working on---too bad. No settings in between. It turns out to be pretty much of a non-problem though, as far as I'm concerned.

If you really can't convince yourself that there's something important you'll be missing if you just keep on using your Forney, how about putting some money into accessories that will make it more versatile. 100' of 2/0 leads divided into 20', 30', and 50' lengths with quick connectors will give you a lot of range without having to move the welder. That kind of thing.

All the best, Stan

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Jerry//MT

06-23-2006 12:12:28




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 Re: stick welder question in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 06-22-2006 21:34:35  
You make some good points!I have a Lincoln AC/DC and I like the fact that I have the option of of DC +/_ and I use it, but I think I could get by with AC alone. Your suggestion of longer leads with good connectors is a really good one for those of us who have stationary machines and a fixed location to weld from. Spending money on accesories to make the fixed location machine more versatile is also good advice, in my opinion.

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J.C.H.

06-22-2006 21:19:45




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 Re: stick welder question in reply to Delbert, 06-22-2006 18:11:16  
You have one of the best Welders ever made for average ,occasional use. My Forney is going on 50 years old and welds as good today as it did in 1960 when I got it. It and I have repaired amd made many ,many items and I am slowing down but it still goes on a strong as ever.The new ones look the same but I don't have a clue as to their reliability or performance. My MIG is a 175 Lincoln and I like it very much.My OXY/Acet Torch is a Century and it also is going on 50 years old with no complaints from me.

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old

06-22-2006 19:02:36




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 Re: stick welder question in reply to Delbert, 06-22-2006 18:11:16  
Can't beat a good old lincoln buzz box welder. I know I wish I had the $$$$ to get a tig set up but I don't so what the hay I'll just keep useing my old lincoln buzz box and my lincoln portable and cross my fingers that they just keep on keeping on.



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Lester Elwood

06-22-2006 18:38:58




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 Re: stick welder question in reply to Delbert, 06-22-2006 18:11:16  
I agree with rogerbama a good Linclon 225 AC/DC with positive and negative is hard to beat.



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rodgernbama

06-22-2006 18:27:46




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 Re: stick welder question in reply to Delbert, 06-22-2006 18:11:16  
I'm sorta partial to the lincoln 225, but hobart or miller stick welders would be good.



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phil lowe

06-22-2006 19:31:01




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 Re: stick welder question in reply to rodgernbama, 06-22-2006 18:27:46  
I bought a used ac/dc 225 lincoln for $400 canadian ... works great ,,came with 25 foot leads ,,good deal???



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