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williamf

06-25-2006 13:33:09




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I've been working on replacing the axle seals and bearing on my backhoe. Not a complicated job, but Ford designed it so that removing and reinstalling the bearing retaining nut requires a special tool. The last time it was done the guys that did it used a cold chisel and a punch. Not a good way to get the required 230-250 ft/lbs.
Since my local dealer doesn't lend tools (Me neither; I'll come do it for you.) I had to make my own.
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That works like a charm. Two hours to get the nut off with a punch, five minutes to spin it back on.
When I asked did I figure the torque right, over on Tractor Talk, buickanddeere and Loren pointed out that I needed to have the wrench horizontal to the ground to have the full weight at the full length. I'm going to correct that when I go back in (This is turning into a Capt.Ahab deal, but I want it done right for once.)
Anyway, I'm thinking to take it a step further.
The picture in the Ford manual
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shows how the normal torque wrench attaches to their special tool. The text says that 100 ft/lbs on the wrench puts the preload in the 230-250 range.
What I'm working out is how far out the handle of my homemade version I should put my torque wrench. I'm guessing right now that if I measure out the length of the torque wrench handle and weld the nut there that will result in twice the torque shown on the wrench. Does that sound right?
Thanks, Wm

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GA JACK

06-26-2006 13:36:49




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 Re: torque tool in reply to williamf, 06-25-2006 13:33:09  
AH,,,,,DOES YOU SISTER HAVE A BOAT AND MOTOR?
jackie



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oldfarmtractor

06-25-2006 20:39:17




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 Re: torque tool in reply to williamf, 06-25-2006 13:33:09  
I think there might be an easier way to work out the torque thing. If you add a foot offset the torque wrench you will double the reading on the wrench. I think the document in the link has some error.

Since torque = Force times the perpendicular distance of the force from the center of the system, to develop 250 foot pounds I could lay on a horizontal wrench 1 foot from the center of the bolt since I weigh 250 lbs or I could have my sister do the same thing 1/2 foot from the center of the shaft.

Or make a put a block 2 feet away from the center of the shaft, push down on a bathroom scale until it hits 125lbs and there you have 250 foot lbs. And it doesn't need to be horizontal as long as you are pushing perpendicular to the 2 foot rod.

In most cases, unless there is bending or preload, if you need 250 ft lbs, just give it all you have and you will be fine.

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williamf

06-26-2006 07:20:07




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 Re: torque tool in reply to oldfarmtractor, 06-25-2006 20:39:17  
Leaving your sister out of this, I think you're right about the error (probable typo) in the formula.
It was:

C=A/D(A+B)
where
A=Handle length
B=Extension
C=Wrench Setting
D=Torque desired

If I plug in 1 ft handle, 1 ft extention, and 100 ft/lbs torque required it comes up with a wrench setting of 1/200th.

I find another link that has a formula that, substituting the original letters, would come out to be:

C=(DxA)/(A+B)

Using the same numbers, it comes up with a setting of 50. Much more believable.

Using their calculator, I find that with my torque wrench (normal center of handle length 16 1/2 inches)if I weld a nut to the handle of the tool four feet out I'll get 250 ft/lbs with a setting of 63.953. Close enough.
Thanks to all, Wm

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jim in N.M.

06-26-2006 06:56:23




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 Re: torque tool in reply to oldfarmtractor, 06-25-2006 20:39:17  
I have a friend that says to tighten it properly "Just bringer down tight and giver three full turns" I always laugh when I think of it!..... Jim in N M



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Easy - your sister?

06-26-2006 06:33:30




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 Re: torque tool in reply to oldfarmtractor, 06-25-2006 20:39:17  
Your sister is a big girl.....



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Bob

06-25-2006 15:57:28




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 Re: torque tool in reply to williamf, 06-25-2006 13:33:09  
Check out page 4 at the link below:



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williamf

06-25-2006 17:02:35




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 Re: torque tool in reply to Bob, 06-25-2006 15:57:28  
Thanks, Bob. That formula C=A/D(A+B)
where A=Handle length
B=Extension
C=Wrench Setting
D=Torque applied
is exactly what I needed.
Easy to work around to any arrangement I need.
Thanks,
Wm



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