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dirtdigger

01-14-2007 07:33:07




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I'm looking at gearmotors for a project and on some of them the the torque output is listed in "pound-foots" or "pound-inches". I think this is the same as foot-pounds or inch-pounds, but I want to make sure. Any answers appreciated.




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Don L C

01-14-2007 16:58:47




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 Re: torque question in reply to dirtdigger, 01-14-2007 07:33:07  
Divide the inch pound number by 12 = foot pounds.



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ArkanDan

01-14-2007 11:33:47




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 Re: torque question in reply to dirtdigger, 01-14-2007 07:33:07  
Got this off the World-Wide-Web so I know it"s got to be true! Have been curious about this for some time and now I know. I probably won"t know it tomorrow though. Just the way things work here on planet earth.


WHAT"S THE DIFFERENCE between foot-pounds and pound-feet? Both consist of the same units - a force and a distance - multiplied together. The physical quantities being expressed, however, are quite different. Yet applying the terms interchangeably is one of the most common misuses of technical language.

The product of a force times a distance, as in "pound-feet" ("Newton-meters," for those metrically inclined), is torque. Torque is the turning effort developed by a motor that causes a shaft to rotate. Based on the simple principle of the lever, torque is increased by either increasing the force itself or by increasing the distance - the lever arm - between the point of force application and the axis of rotation. (Anyone using a wrench is familiar with that concept.)

Any physics text or engineering handbook will make the principle clear and will define force times distance - pounds times feet, or ounces times inches - as torque. To "say it right," remember the universal standard convention that the force comes first; the distance second.

So, is "foot-pounds" meaningless, then? Not at all. When the distance is named first, and the force second, the product represents something equally real but quite different: work.

Work measures the expenditure of energy. Thus, when a mass is lifted through a distance (against the force of gravity), or moved horizontally against a friction force, the amount of work done is measured by the product of the force involved and the distance moved. Increasing either one increases the amount of work.

How fast that work is done is a measure of power (horsepower or watts). For example, if a 100-pound weight is lifted 5 feet in one second, the work done is 550 foot-pounds, and the power involved is 550 foot-pounds per second-which equals one horsepower (746 watts).

Whether speaking of torque, then, as related to fastener tightening or motor capability, use the term putting force first (as in pound-feet). Putting the distance first (as in foot-pounds) is not equivalent; it represents something not at all related to torque.

Using technical terms incorrectly invites skepticism concerning your knowledge of technology.

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Joe(TX)

01-15-2007 07:55:46




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 Re: torque question in reply to ArkanDan, 01-14-2007 11:33:47  
Whoever wrote the article was overcomplicating his life. 2 mutiplied by 3 is the same as 3 multiplied by 2. It"s just a format issue.
Unless they"ve changed the laws of physics and math since I went to engineering school.



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Uncle

01-14-2007 10:05:32




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 Re: torque question in reply to dirtdigger, 01-14-2007 07:33:07  
1 ft/lb= 12in/lb
Inch pounds is used to describe smaller capacity units.



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msb

01-14-2007 13:04:28




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 Listennto old Unc in reply to Uncle, 01-14-2007 10:05:32  
To convert inch pounds to foot pounds,divide by 12. To convert foot pounds to inch pounds, multiply by 12.



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Rod (NH)

01-14-2007 08:39:50




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 Re: torque question in reply to dirtdigger, 01-14-2007 07:33:07  
Hi,

Yes, they are the same. The term "foot-pounds" is commonly used for torque although the more technically precise terminology is "pounds-feet" to distinguish torque from energy, also represented by "foot pounds". The use of the two terms is not new at all but is indicative of the background of the user. They both are correct for all practical purposes.

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Jiles

01-14-2007 08:16:06




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 Re: torque question in reply to dirtdigger, 01-14-2007 07:33:07  
I am 61 years old an I always heard engine torque given as "foot pounds of torque". Then I started hearing the term "pound feet of torque". I have no idea why it was changed but it means the same thing to me.



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TimV

01-14-2007 07:56:03




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 Re: torque question in reply to dirtdigger, 01-14-2007 07:33:07  
Dirtdigger--yes, it is--just a different way of expressing it.



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