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glennster

04-16-2007 08:04:35




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looking to buy a transit for running field tiles, grading ditches, maybe a little building work too. looked at david white, cst/berger and dewalt. price ranges from 225 to about 450.00. seems like 20x is pretty common. any recommendations??




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david in md

04-18-2007 04:55:08




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 Re: surveyors transit in reply to glennster, 04-16-2007 08:04:35  
Consider what you are going to do with it. An optical level, transit, or theodolite all require two people to operate, one to look through the telescope and one to hold the grade rod. You might want a laser level which can be operated by one person. You can even mount the receiver to a trencher or dozer blade. If needed, laser levels can be bought that can be set to maintain a constant grade such as when laying pipeline for gravity flow. We've had good luck with Spectra Precision lasers. Topcon is also good.

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Billy NY

04-17-2007 09:23:07




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 Re: surveyors transit in reply to glennster, 04-16-2007 08:04:35  
Nikon, self leveling/automatic optical levels are nice too, I cannot remember the optics on the ones we were using, I bought 3 of them for the company I worked for in between'01-'03, they were $800 or so, I did not like the aluminum tripod, fiberglass or heavier type was much better. I've used these in both site work and determining elevations off bench marks placed on columns on high rise jobs, it's got the self leveling bubble in a circle, the optics are important, as it makes it so much easier to take an accurate reading, one job we were on, had string dimensions on the drawings as small as 1/16", so even the increment mark thickness's on the darned rod were important to incorporate into your reading. It's a great tool to have, and I've got to get another one for my jobs now, would get one of those again, and you do have to take care in using them/keep calibrated, clean etc., our survey instrument supplier used to provide that service, I used to get them done before every job started and I was the only one handling the instrument on my jobs, so I knew it had not been dropped or tossed in a gang box. Instructions were given to others to do the same. Even lower cost models, you still need good optics for longer distances, not sure what pro's and or surveyors think of the Nikon's but I thought highly of them and depended on them to layout some intricate work on my jobs. Most contractors were using them too. They were great for site work as ground vibration from say a dozer working nearby, or other disturbances are not supposed to knock it off level, supposed to be the reason they call them automatic levels, I could be wrong, but I thought they made a good instrument to fill the need for elevation work etc.

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davpal

04-16-2007 23:28:59




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 Re: surveyors transit in reply to glennster, 04-16-2007 08:04:35  
We have a David White and it is really nice. I can't imagine doing much now without one. Dad and I have used it for quite a few projects. I also plan on doing some tiling and grading out some ditches just like you said. I just bought a trencher and am anxious to try it out! I agree about loaning them out though. I have kept it a secret that we have it. I did loan it out to a friend that is very responsible and honest though. It came back each time perfect.

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glennster

04-17-2007 07:45:45




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 Re: surveyors transit in reply to davpal, 04-16-2007 23:28:59  
what power is your david white? sounds like the 20x may not be enough for longer tile runs or ditch work. maybe a 26x? i hate to buy one then find out its not the one i need. i dont plan on using it a lot, but would like to have it when needed.



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Ken in Arkansas

04-16-2007 13:34:53




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 Re: surveyors transit in reply to glennster, 04-16-2007 08:04:35  
If you are just doing grades, a level is what you will need. They are more accurate than a transit or theodolite for leveling and quicker to set up. For surveyor-quality equipment, Wild or Zeiss make excellent instruments. Topcon also makes a good instrument at a little lower price. If you buy used,try to get the owners manual. It will have a procedure for checking the accuracy of the instrument, and probably a procedure to recalibrate the level.

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David - OR

04-16-2007 08:31:02




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 Re: surveyors transit in reply to glennster, 04-16-2007 08:04:35  
At that price (for a new unit) what you are looking at is technically called a "builder's level", not a "surveyor's transit". A level is intended to be set up level, rotate about one axis, and you use the grade rod to set up your elevation stakes.

A 20x magnification is OK for setting up urban lots or building foundations, but is a little low for grading ditches or drain tile over any distance. One of the many "laser levels" is a little easier for one person to use.

A "transit" is capable of rotating about the horizontal axis as well as the vertical axis, and can measure both elevation angles and horizontal angles. A 30x magnification is more typical for a transit. Survey grade instruments are typically much more expensive.

The next step up from this is called a "theodolite" which is basically a highly accurate transit.

Today, professional surveyors use "Total Stations" , which combine an electronic theodolite with electronic distance measurement (using a laser). The fanciest ones are remote controlled, such that one man can work a site by carrying around a prism (target), and the instrument follows the target from point to point. No need to have someone back at the instrument.

You can get some good deals on older optical theodolites on ebay...

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the tractor vet

04-16-2007 08:23:39




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 Re: surveyors transit in reply to glennster, 04-16-2007 08:04:35  
They are all good ones when new and if ya don't let ANYBODY BARROW it . Beware of used ones as they may not be true. I have and old craftsman that is a Berger and USE to be dead on Till i let a couple of Friends BARROW it Now it is way out of wack and if i want it fixed it is going to cost more then a new one .



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upred

04-16-2007 20:25:31




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 Re: surveyors transit in reply to the tractor vet, 04-16-2007 08:23:39  
what do you mean itsway off, not level? Let me know,and maybe it can be recalibrated back to level, I had to do that to my craftsman transit - its not hard to do



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Sam#3

04-16-2007 19:53:13




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 Re: surveyors transit in reply to the tractor vet, 04-16-2007 08:23:39  
Yep! Don't let anybody BARROW your tools.

From Merriam-Webster's online Dictionary Barrow 1: MOUNTAIN, MOUND -- used only in the names of hills in England.
2: a large mound of earth or stones over the remains of the dead: TUMULUS



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Stan in Oly, WA

04-16-2007 22:42:53




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 Re: surveyors transit in reply to Sam#3, 04-16-2007 19:53:13  
Hi Sam#3,

But you're being good-natured about it, right? Usually on this site people don't get called to account for their spelling or grammar. It's the quality of the advice, the quality of the thinking, the experience, and the common sense that matter. Even misinformed contributors contributing misinformation mostly get a pass here---as long as they're not belligerent or insulting about it.

This is just in the nature of a personal observation. Like all free, unsolicited advice, it's guaranteed to be worth at least as much as you paid for it.

All the best, Stan

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Sam#3

04-17-2007 07:02:56




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 Re: surveyors transit in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 04-16-2007 22:42:53  
Well yeah, I can't think anyone would purposely allow someone to bury his tools.
Remember there's no one as critical as a former drunk with religion, a former smoker, and some old phart who acquired his only college degree at age sixty.
"I'm retired, I know every thing and have all the time in the world to tell you about it." <:)



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