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How to install metal roofs on houses?

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Fitter Roger

07-29-2007 18:58:12




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Anbody around here ever install a metal roof on your house? Was it harder than standard asphalt? I see my neighbor started his barn and my wife thinks it would look great on the house. I am going to go bother his contractor tommorow. It doesn't look hard, seems to go on one by four furring strips nailed to the old roof. Anybody know of any good DIY metal roof web sites?

Thanks Roger




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NE IA Dave

08-04-2007 20:16:34




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 Re: How to install metal roofs on houses? in reply to Fitter Roger, 07-29-2007 18:58:12  
We strip the roof or otherwise tell them to get someone else to do it. If there are wood shingles the sheeting is spaced. No one can see where the cracks are thus you screw into wood shingles only. Those are the roofs we get called out on to fix as the wind is flipping the panels around. I usualy have coments under my breath about getting the fly by nights, and fast talking salesmen to come fix there screw ups. And sorry, NO I DON"T BUY INTO THE SUPER WIND that just hit your farmstead or the trailer court crap. Wood shingles could never be placed over tight sheathing otherwise they would not last very long.

You can stick to roofs up to a 8/12 if you know how to stick to the roof, but if you put fir strips down you can work off the strips. Our crew does not know what falling down means, so they don't take any caution for the most part.

We always put 25% more screws in a roof. A extra one goes just behind the lap. This is where the wind starts to lift any panel. Also at the bottom (eve) we place twice as many screws as this is another spot prone to wind lift.

If we are working with a fast ground crew, we use a Pasload finish nailer (airless) without nails to punch holes in the heavy guage panels. Buy a good quality 1/4inch nut driver with magnet for your drill. Many must have the magnet driven down into the socket to drive properly. Do not buy the dozen for a dollar made in China nut runner sockets unless you NEVER get the urge to jump off a roof.

The choise of wood tites or screws is of utmost importance, self tapping for wood and self drilling for steel perloins. Some are far better to work with than others. Keep the metal particals out of the magnet in your nut runner / socket as the screws will wobble. Screws should not be overtight.
A item never mentioned, but I insist if I get the job is to put ice stops on to keep chunks of ice from dropping off.

Check with your metal company about over the asphalt shingle without stripping as some companies will not alow this as a chemical reaction breaks down the steel.

Another sugestion on house roofs is a double sided tape for the seams. The cost is very little.

Suprise also -- is alot of guarentees are for paint chipping, and fading, nothing more as they have no control of instalation.

We are dealing with a special steel panel that we installed on a 80 x 160 round rafter, 20 ft sidewalls where the lower lap of the panel had no return to the perloin. Why would anyone manufacture this product is beyond my mind set. We have hundreds of leaks, the company rep said we installed the panels correct and fasteners are in the correct location----- -BUT THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE for leaking. There was sealant on all side and end panel laps. I hope we have some coperation from the manufacture, but seems not so good at this stage. Over $40,000.00 for product sheets, and no guarentee not to leak.

I should also mention there is no excuse to have a saw edge on the bottom (eve). Use your calculator and square root key for a perfect bottom edge.

Golly I keep going on and on! But another thing is IF you are going to use over the roof eve spout hangers or the 10 ft Ice stops YOU MUST INSTALL A 1 x 6 or a 2 x 6 on the bottom eve perloin / furring strip. NOT a 1 x4 or 2 x 4.

I'm a old man and have yet to see a good bottom or top closure strip, so you are on your own on this one, just make sure they have a adhesive strip to help hold them in place while installing the panels or ridge cap.

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Jerrycpp(WA)

08-03-2007 06:44:46




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 Re: How to install metal roofs on houses? in reply to Fitter Roger, 07-29-2007 18:58:12  
I put metal on my house when I built it in '84. I put down 1/2 inch sheathing, then 15 pound felt, then 1 1/2 inch rigid styrofoam, then the metal. I put 1 1/2 inch wood around the edges to protect the styrofoam. The extra R-7 1/2 insulation makes a world of difference, and also quiets the metal a bit if you don't like the sound of rain. I've done every roof that way since, and it's worth the extra money.

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Dave Sherburne NY

07-30-2007 11:22:12




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 Re: How to install metal roofs on houses? in reply to Fitter Roger, 07-29-2007 18:58:12  
Try Fabral roofing website



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NEsota

07-30-2007 09:37:36




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 Re: How to install metal roofs on houses? in reply to Fitter Roger, 07-29-2007 18:58:12  
Just one other thing, foam rubber strips are available (prox 1/8 X 1/2 inch), these go on top of the ridge on the last panel put down and under the ridge on the panel going over that.



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NEsota

07-30-2007 08:11:11




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 Re: How to install metal roofs on houses? in reply to Fitter Roger, 07-29-2007 18:58:12  
The roof I did was on a 100 year old farm house. It had two layers of cedar shingles on 3/4 inch boards that were spaced a couple inches apart. We stripped the shingles, put down felt and screwed on the three feet wide panels, (length was to my specks). With panels this wide you can stretch a line across the bottom to line up the bottom edge of the panel with. Just lining up the ridge of each panel with the ridge of the previous is not good enough. We used more screws than specs called for but they are cheap and easy to put in. Wind blowing over a roof can produce a lot of lift. If I were to do the same roof over I would do it the same way and broadly spaced furring strips is something I would avoid on a roof that might get walked on.
The necessity of the felt is something to weigh, it might be better on a roof like mine to let the space breath up the ridges in the panels.

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mjbrown

07-30-2007 04:05:15




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 Re: How to install metal roofs on houses? in reply to Fitter Roger, 07-29-2007 18:58:12  
Had it done on my roof. They put down 2x4's layed on their sides and screwed (not nailed) them to the rafters through the shingles then installed the metal with neoprene ringed screws. Metal is slippery compared to asphalt so it you have a lot of pitch be very careful. Our roof is nearly 45 degrees and the contractor kept a scissor lift right at the eaves in case someone slid off.



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Stan in Oly, WA

07-29-2007 23:15:12




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 Re: How to install metal roofs on houses? in reply to Fitter Roger, 07-29-2007 18:58:12  
Hi Roger,

I thought it was easier to install than 3-tab but the house I installed it on had the simplest possible roof---no valleys, no dormers, etc. The screws that the metal roofing company provided had square drive heads. They worked so well that I would seek them out if I was doing it again and any furnished screws weren't square drive.

The other thing I thought helped a lot was to devise a fitting that hooked over the ridge of the house and held a ladder in place for me to work from. Since the metal panels were only a foot wide, it was easy to do everything from a ladder beside the panel, and easy to move it to put down the next panel.

All the best, Stan

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caterpillar guy

07-29-2007 20:22:25




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 Re: How to install metal roofs on houses? in reply to Fitter Roger, 07-29-2007 18:58:12  
We just screwed it down on the wood shingles when we put it on over them it's really pretty easy to do the easiest way to get it square is to have two sheets up at once with a screw in at the top on near center just swing the bottom till the corners are even and away you go just keep an eye on the end so it doen't walk as you go and get off one way or other. If it does just crowd it by starting the screws on the opposite side and work up or down the sheet diagonally across the sheet screws go on the top of the ribs on roofs and can go in either way on siding use the neoprene washers and if over an old roof use the 21/2 or so screws. Watch the screws some are real cheap and there blunt makes them hard to start then theres the others they have a good sharp point.

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mark

07-29-2007 20:22:18




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 Re: How to install metal roofs on houses? in reply to Fitter Roger, 07-29-2007 18:58:12  
If you don't have but one layer of shingles, go ahead and put your furring strips on top and then screw your tin down. It's an easy job and the best roof you'll ever have.



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TomTex

07-29-2007 19:57:06




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 Re: How to install metal roofs on houses? in reply to Fitter Roger, 07-29-2007 18:58:12  
Around here none of the reliable contractors will install on the furring strips. They strip off old shingle roof, recover with plywood/OSB if necessary, apply 30# felt, and screw metal roofing to plywood/OSB decking. With furring strips only, it gets bent in between when walking on it. Tom



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IH2444

07-29-2007 19:32:17




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 Re: How to install metal roofs on houses? in reply to Fitter Roger, 07-29-2007 18:58:12  
I have done some of it, and yes just nail strip on the roof and screw the metal down. Of course it is nice to get it on square so the edge is not jagged :)
It will probably cost about 1.5 and up as much as asphalt. And some metal roofing only has about a 20 yr guarantee...

But It will block the mind control rays the govt is beaming down on us :)



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HENRY E NC

07-30-2007 11:16:46




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 Re: How to install metal roofs on houses? in reply to IH2444, 07-29-2007 19:32:17  
I have several roofs with metal on the and each was done differently. On roof went straight down on the asphalt . Has resulted in better insulation qualities and quieted the roof down when hard rain comes. The second roof went on new with furring strips over the plywood. all the felt and stuff was applied. Very noisey . The third roof was applied over some sort of foamy pad and is about equal to the first roof in all aspects. I am for leaving the shingle on applying over top of them in some manner.

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