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Nail Gun - What to buy?

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Jim in OH

09-26-2007 12:22:53




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I need to buy a nail gun. It will have be somewhat general purpose. The two uses that I imediately forsee are:

1) 400 feet of Fence repair. re-nailing 1x6 cedar fence boards to fence rails using about 1 1/2" to 1 3/4" stainless steel ring shank nails.

2) Normal project construction. framing, plywood to frame, etc.

Also, I see 18 degree, 21 degree, 34 degree, etc. guns.. I see the difference, but how do you choose what angle you need/get. I am not intending to buy more than one nailer... (I already have a stapler and brad nailer).
Jim

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suptscottyb

09-27-2007 20:39:57




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-26-2007 12:22:53  
No. Nails are preset at a certain angle to fit a particular gun rack. So before you buy go look what is avail. in that angle at what price. A Hitachi is about 300 dollars, the construction industry standard and will last a lifetime...



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Jim in OH

09-27-2007 07:50:17




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-26-2007 12:22:53  
Thanks all... Can someone explain why the different angle choices? Is one better for one application or another? Do nails work in more than one angle? Jim



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paul

09-27-2007 20:03:09




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-27-2007 07:50:17  
I don't know why, but - isn't wire weld 15 degree, plastic is under 28 degree, & paper tape is over 28 degree? You can't interchange the major types.

(Well, Harbor Freight sells one that says it adjusts to all the angles.... You be the judge on their stuff.)

--->Paul



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NE IA Dave

09-27-2007 15:06:24




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-27-2007 07:50:17  
The reason you have different angles is simple. The same intentions of making so many different oil filters, spark plugs, batteries---well you get it.

Other than in the hot summer and using it non stop the Pasload would be far the best if I get the general idea. They get very hot to the touch. Mine is probably five years old and used almost three to four times a week depending on the job site. Your best bet is read the manual when it needs cleaning, not real complicated nor to time consuming. Sure seems like a long time between cleanings. As others have stated a little slower. Yet if you consider unwraping hoses, waiting for the compressor to pump up, running back to unsnag the hose, then repeating the snaged hose process, wrapping hose back up and hauling the compressor--well again you get the picture. I personaly would not think twice in your case, get the Pasload and don't look back.

I would retract that last statment if you have a upwards of a three man crew, or you get larger projects. My main pain with air is in order to have enough air to keep up with two guns, you need more than 110 volts for a compressor if you are trying to push the guns hard.

Many of the nails are universal, and the clip heads are probable a little less effective for holding power. I shoot nothing but ring shank or screw shank for framing. It makes it hard to fix a screw up, but they hold so much better. We just had a recent round of wind storms in our area, and nails holding are a main problem when it comes to wind damage.

If you are interested, I have probably fifteen different used air operated guns, framing, brad, staple, and finishing to chose from. They are all in working condition, and set aside for the JUST IN CASE idea. Seems the guys grap all the Pasload airless guns. I have three different guns, framing, stapler, and finish, and I'm una ware of any other models. It seems the big stapler doesn't get out much, but that has to do with the type of jobs we get mainly.

I do have a cordless roofing nailer that has less than a couple hrs run time that I will sell for almost nothing, or less. They are about $350.00 new with new gun, two batteries, charger and case. The batteries sat to long because of the projects we were doing. New batteries are $176.00 ---FLIPPIN EACH --- last time I checked.

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evielboweviel

09-27-2007 12:23:29




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-27-2007 07:50:17  
stick guns require specfic nails, some nails fit multiple manufactors some don't. also with stick nailers you have clipped head and full head nails along with different angles.
That is why I switched to coil nailers one size fits all with few exceptions

Ron



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glennster

09-27-2007 06:24:41




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-26-2007 12:22:53  
i have a bostitch framing nailer and a paslode nailer. the paslode is not as fast, but a lot more portable. battery lasts a long time too. if you are near an air source, the bostitch is great. if you are remote, go with the paslode. i picked up a 400 watt ac converter that plugs in the lighter on my truck, then i plug the charger for the nailer in it. i can also charge the cordless drill off it too.

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paul

09-26-2007 18:40:20




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-26-2007 12:22:53  
I hear the plastic colated tend to shoot bits of plastic around - bad for the eyes.

Wire weld is fine, but ther can be bits of wire around too.

I got a Stanley Bostitch PT33 a couple years ago. It handles all types of paper colated; I've done 28-34 degree nails of different sizes, some round head, some clipped. Haven't had a problem.

Whichever you get, look what is popular & on the shelf locally. You don't want to have to drive 40 miles to get a box of nails when you run out.

'Here' wire weld is popular, but so is Pasolade paper tape. Those nails have worked great in my S-B gun.

What sold me on this S-B model of gun is that it can also shoot 1 & 1.5 inch hardened nails - to fasten metal strap connectors. Nice feature if you use the straps for making a deck, etc.

Do your local codes allow clipped nails, or do they require full heads? Would make a difference on what you buy.

--->Paul

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evilboweviel

09-26-2007 16:46:14




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-26-2007 12:22:53  
started out with a Senco SN IV 20 some years ago, added Senco scn65's three years ago. The coil nailer is better balanced, easier to use, fits better in tight spots AND so far all coil nails I have found fit it no matter the manufactor so no worries about paper collated, plastic collated, 24,27 31 degree etc
Ron



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Randy S

09-26-2007 15:53:52




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-26-2007 12:22:53  
Forgot to add, i got it for 100 bucks shipping included.



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Randy S

09-26-2007 15:52:00




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-26-2007 12:22:53  
I bought a bostitch framing nailer ( its an n88ww i think) on ebay, dont see how i lived without it. Have used paslode and wouldnt pay the difference, the air hose isnt that big of a deal.



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Fawteen

09-26-2007 15:25:32




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-26-2007 12:22:53  
I have three Stanley-Bostich pneumatics, a coil-framer, a coil-roofer and a stick finisher.

The framer and the roofer are indispensible. I have tendonitis in both arms so bad that driving more than a handful of nails with a traditional hammer is out of the question.

The finisher is just too dang handy for words, cuz it drives AND sets the nails in one motion. I bought it for putting up a blind-nailed beaded fir ceiling, and since that job I've used it way more than I ever thought I would at the time.

Yes, dragging an air hose around is a minor pain, but for as often as I use them, I couldn't see the price of the Paslode.

I've never regretted the purchase, all have performed flawlessly.

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Midwest redneck

09-26-2007 15:16:12




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-26-2007 12:22:53  
I have a almost brand new Bostitch nail gun part # N88WWB. It is a 28 Degree. I also have a whole box of nails to go with it. I bought it 2 years ago when I built my deck. I will sell it to you. I thought I would need it, but I only used it for the joist system on my deck. And then decided to put in deck screws for the top boards. I bought this thing from Home Depot in June of 2005. Any reasonable offer will be accepted. Respond back on here. BTW: I am about 100 miles north of OH, off I-75.

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Sean Feeney 2

09-26-2007 15:12:04




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-26-2007 12:22:53  
I bought a Porter Cable FR350 a couple years ago around $200 never had a problem



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Lance in Brenham, TX

09-26-2007 14:18:22




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-26-2007 12:22:53  
Buy American!!



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09-26-2007 13:51:27




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-26-2007 12:22:53  
I agree with cj3b_jeep the Paslode Impulse cordless framer, I have one for ~ 3 years. Not having to deal with all of electric cords and air lines is great! In construction and roofing it always seem like the air line is jerking you off balance. The power is fine for me, I can drive 3 1/4" into any lumber I built a deck and only had to set a few nails. I am not sure of the angle but, I have not had many places where I couldn't get with the nailer. I don't make my living in carpentry or construction so my opinion is not from that point of view, I have built several sheds, barns, fences and other wood projects, used the gun extensively without any real problems (one of my batteries doesn't always make contact). The cost of consumables is reasonable to me but I haven't used other types so no real comparison.

PS: I have used about 15 fuel cells (~$5.50 ea) and less than 20 boxes of nails ( ~ 4,000 nails and $45-$55 ea) so I can't comment on the longevity of the gun but, I will go several weeks without using it and pick it up and it will work like a champ all day long for several days in row.

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-CSC0555447=2

09-26-2007 14:25:05




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to -CSC0555447=2, 09-26-2007 13:51:27  
Paslode, a division of Illinois Tool Works, is headquartered in Vernon Hills Illinois with manufacturing facilities and service and distribution centers throughout the United States.



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cj3b_jeep

09-26-2007 13:15:58




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 Re: Nail Gun - What to buy? in reply to Jim in OH, 09-26-2007 12:22:53  
I've got a Paslode Impulse cordless framer. It's a great and very reliable tool. I could not realy tell you what angle it shoots, but nails and gas cells are pretty reasonable. If you want to take it out in the field without a compressor, that'd be the way to go.



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