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620

10-08-2007 17:57:48




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Bath tub water won't go down and toilet and faucet water gergles and goes down real slow .I think it might have tree roots in it the tile going out the sepitic drian .We have the old kind sepitic system .Can this be snaked out or due you need to dig them up ?




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Spritzer

10-10-2007 18:18:50




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
Has anybody thought that maybe the P-traps on these facilities individually might be partially clogged?



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JerryU

10-10-2007 05:02:59




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
My 2 cents. First there are a gazillion type of drain fields. I live in Michigan and have an engineered field. When I lived in northern IL it was a totally different animal - a "bowtie" field with plastic drain pipe in trenches.

Anyway, there are also a lot of configurations of tanks, in parts of Michigan it is now a law to have two tanks in a series (I do not have this).

OK been in my house 16 years. Pumped the tank for the third time two weeks ago. When you have it pumped - stand there with a flashlight and watch and see what is happening and talk with the guy.

A tank does a couple of things - heavy stuff sinks to the bottom where the inorganics sit and collect and never go away and the organics decompose (slowly). The middle is the liquid. There is a "skimmer wall" on the newer tanks or a pipe that acts as a skimmer. This allows grease and the like to float and draw liquid from somewhere, maybe a foot or so under the surfact to flow out to the drain field. So - for anything that goes in, something must go out.

Hopefully - solids settle, grease floats, and liquids go out.

As far as pumping. The solids will build up and decrease the holding capacity of the tank reducing settling time and resulting in more suspended solids going to the field - BAD. The grease and low density material will float and accumulate to the point where it will go below the skimmer and go out to the field - BAD.

Therefore a tank needs to be pumped. How often is a matter you can only determine by looking at the tank and finding out how much guck is on the bottom and how much is floating. If the bottom or the top stuff gets to the field, time for a new field. Pumping is cheaper - here it is $160 for a 1,000 gal tank.

How much you accumulate depends on what you put in it and how much. Obviously a couple without a garbage disposal will put in far less than a family of 4 or 5 with a garbage disposal (yes you can run garbage into the tank, but you will need to pump it more often). A big killer, overlooked is lint from the wash machine - this will plug things up quick. Put a mesh lint filter on the discharge of the washer and change often. That link messes things up in a drainfield.

For what it's worth. Sorry bout the length.

JU

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buickanddeere

10-09-2007 23:39:22




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
After clearing the clogs. Route that grey water away. That's bath water, sink, shower, laundry sink, washing machine & water softener into it's own drain system. In all honesty it will do a creek or ditch good rather than harm. The chlorine bleach, anti-bacteria soaps & salt brine will beat up a septic tank and it's anaerobic bacteria.



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620

10-09-2007 19:45:55




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
Today I dug up the feild tile drain and found it dry . Then I dug the lid to tank up stuck in a garden hoe and touched the bottom of the tank pure concrete so that is in great shape after five years since being pumped .Then called a pro to come out with a snake .



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Old Timer in Ohio

10-09-2007 17:07:04




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
My turn I guess, we had a root problem,
got some root killer at the hardware store did the trick.Later we started having drain problems again.Took a while to find out what was causing it,
turned out to be Oxyclean type cleaners turned all oil and grease into solid gunk,stopped using Oxyclean type cleaners,
problem dissappeared???
Bob
God Bless



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peaster

10-09-2007 13:01:06




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
Might check your vent lines for dirt dobbers or bird nest. They have alot to do with how well stuff drains.



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rodgernbama

10-09-2007 12:38:12




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
I lived in my house for 20 years and never had the septic tank pumped. It is correct that the effulent drains to the field lines but the solids should be eaten by bacteria if your system is working correctly.



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Bill in NorthCentral PA

10-09-2007 09:30:04




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
I have had good success with a plumber's tool which screws on the end of a garden hose. Cut the drain line (or use a clean-out) and slide the hose in as far as possible (straight shot) and turn the water on. What I do is to turn the water off and pull slightly on the hose. When the rubber tool deflates, pull it and slam it back in - blockage usually moves along. I furnco the cut pipe back together for future times.

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midwest redneck

10-09-2007 02:48:34




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
You should pump your tank every 2-3 years. My septic field is engineered and cost me $15k. OUCH. Mine should last 25-30 years. mine is all PVC, course sand, evaporated bed, 1500gallon tank.



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Spook

10-09-2007 02:14:49




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
I have had to work on mine twice in 21 years. The first time, the outlet to the field got plugged up. The next time, the field just became saturated, they do get old. All septic systems will fail eventually. And all septic systems will build up solids, the systems will not turn everything to liquid. The solids need to be pumped out every few years. If you have a lot people on the system, pumping every 5 years isn't a bad idea. I got a guy to come in with a trencher and trench me out new lines, for $200. That's not much more than renting a trencher, and he was good at it. I used plastic sock tile from Homer Despot. Google septic systems to find out more.

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T_Bone

10-09-2007 01:14:42




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
Hi 620,

Probably plugged right at the tank inlet with grease. A 3/8" snake will break that loose. Use a piece of 1/2" EMT on the first 10ft to keep the snake from twisting up. A cordless drillmotor works good on the other end. You can also rent a power snake from HD. Eats PVC if not really careful.

A septic tank should never have to be pumped. If it does then you used too much bleach and killed the bacteria. Vinegar will restart the bacteria action. About 5gals of any cheap vinegar.

Tree roots take a auger to cut them out. They will disolve in the tank or compost inside the tank. Compost is nitrogen (tank solids), browns (T-paper, wood shavings, food scraps) and water.

Septic tanks do not like colored TP. All TP used should be septic tank safe, says so on the package. A spetic tank is not a trash can.

T_Bone

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paul

10-09-2007 08:55:04




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to T_Bone, 10-09-2007 01:14:42  
One of the few times I disagree with you. Septic tanks need to be pumped. Depends how big they are, how many are using it, & how 'careful' they are.

if you have a burn pile, you think the wood burns all away, but if you look, there is a bit of ash from each burn that does not go away. As well, bits of metal & dirt somehow end up in the fire. Bits of wood don't always burn 100%. Some fool will throw on a load of stuff with a lot of plastic or metal every now & then, really add to the 'unburned' part.

A septic is the same way. Bits of dirt & fiber from washing your hands & clothes stay in the bottom. Paper, grease, & small plastic toys get flushed down. Don't go away. On & on. Between 2 & 25 years, almost all tanks will fill up. Then there is no room for the stuff that woulda broken down, and it runs into your drainfield raw, sealing up the dirt/ gravel. Then the drainfield no longer works, and you get to build a new one.

It is not correct to say a tank never needs pumping. People regret thinking that all the time.....

--->Paul

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T_Bone

10-09-2007 15:23:24




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to paul, 10-09-2007 08:55:04  
Well Paul, I was referring to my personal experience with my septic tank. In 13yrs I accumalated 2" of waste sludge, sludge that had to be pumped, and part of that waste sludge had not finished composting. I'm not calculating the compost part of the waste sludge.

In 60yrs that would be 9" of waste sludge accumalated, based upon my past usage ratio's.

So I agree, at some point my tank would need to be pumped.

T_Bone

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Arkandan

10-09-2007 05:39:27




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to T_Bone, 10-09-2007 01:14:42  
Quote: "A septic tank should never have to be pumped."

Hi T-Bone, I think that statement is not at all correct. a septic tank is just a long term holding tank for the solids. It allows the liquids to drain off, but the solids have to be pumped out every so often depending on amount of usage. In Wisconsin it is law that they be pumped every three years (or there abouts). Here in Arkansas they recommmend pumping every three or four years, again depending on usage.

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T_Bone

10-09-2007 15:41:54




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to Arkandan, 10-09-2007 05:39:27  
Hi Dan,

I had never heard of that law. That don't mean very much as there's alot that I haven't heard of...lol

See my resopnse too Paul.

T_Bone



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Blue3992 (N Illinois)

10-08-2007 21:09:45




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
Get someone out there who knows septic systems. I'm all for doing it myself, but a pro has got the right tools to get the job done.

My house had a problem similar to yours. Turned out the pipe from the house to the tank had gone bad. They dug it up, took out the old clay pipe and put in PVC.



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TyTX

10-08-2007 18:58:07




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
Septic tanks are full of water all the time. If they are full of what needs pumping out, that's a different matter.

Your problem could also be a collapsed drain field. If the effluent can't drain out of the tank, new effluent can't come in.

It sounds like you need a septic specialist to examine your system to tell you what's not working properly. It could be your "tight line" from the house to the tank or the tank or the leach field.

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620 row crop

10-08-2007 18:47:39




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I forgot to add that it was pumped 5 years ago just to be safe .It tured out it was full any way . Thanks for the response .



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(sonny)

10-08-2007 18:35:21




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
check the septic tank , it could be full.



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L. Ummox

10-08-2007 18:48:12




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to (sonny), 10-08-2007 18:35:21  
Did someone say the septic tank may be full?

I think they are supposed to be full all the time.



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rodgernbama

10-08-2007 18:24:27




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to 620, 10-08-2007 17:57:48  
You could try the snaking route. I would suggest the kind that has cutters to cut the roots. Concrete drain tiles deteroiate and collapse after they get a lot of age on them. If thats the case I would consider re-laying a new pvc drain pipe.



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Crisco

10-09-2007 12:15:39




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 Re: ot sepitic system in reply to rodgernbama, 10-08-2007 18:24:27  
O.K fellers. My two cents. I've done three septic systems (mine, Bro. in Law, and Son in law) that had "stopped up". All three were in the cast iron pipe leaving the tank going to the distribution box. The distribution boxes were concrete and very deteriorated, so I replaced them ($35.00) with Plastic and put in a PVC line from tank to box. Now the kicker is this-The oldest system was put in in 1952. Mine was put in in 1965. The guy that pumped it said that unless you abuse it, it doesn't need pumped out-ever. I asked him how you gonna make any money? Told me people keep him busy when they run over laterals, toilet runs all weekend, stuff like that. So T-Bone, that's good advice. BTW, I had mine pumped out so I wouldn't have to "wade" in it fixing it.)

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