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O/T Stucco on house in high humidity?

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Logan in S.E. T

11-20-2007 17:32:10




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Sorry for the way off-topic post but the range of knowledge here is so great I hope someone will know more than me.

A friend is building a new house in Beaumont,Tx and his builder has suggested that he stucco some outside areas for appearance. He has been told by his insurance agent that in this area stucco does not do well due to our high average humidity levels.
What do y'all know about stucco, especially in high humidity areas???

Thanks in advance for your help.

Logan

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KIP in MX

11-21-2007 08:57:44




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 Re: O/T Stucco on house in high humidity? in reply to Logan in S.E. Texas, 11-20-2007 17:32:10  
Nearly every house here has stucco, but the houses are built with cinder blocks, not wood. We are right on the Gulf coast in Mexico and mold has not been a problem, except in closets. Outside humidity is usually 65-80%.



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jokers

11-21-2007 07:22:50




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 Re: O/T Stucco on house in high humidity? in reply to Logan in S.E. Texas, 11-20-2007 17:32:10  
From what I know the problems with stucco and humidity are related to expansive and vapor permeable substrates allowing moisture to get trapped enough by the stucco to cause delamination. Use of a cementitious backer for the stucco over a 6-10 mil continuous vapor barrier should prevent any problems, even in the most humid regions.



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dhermesc

11-21-2007 05:44:51




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 Re: O/T Stucco on house in high humidity? in reply to Logan in S.E. Texas, 11-20-2007 17:32:10  
I think Tech4 nailed it. The insurance companies are probably having problems with synthetic stucco and mold. A lot of warnings have gone out on it.



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Billy NY

11-20-2007 19:14:48




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 Re: O/T Stucco on house in high humidity? in reply to Logan in S.E. Texas, 11-20-2007 17:32:10  
Used to work with someone from Beaumont, when building correctional facilties for NYS, the company, Morse Diesel Insternational, brought 2 superintendents to the job in northern NY, one was from there and the other from Galveston.

Try checking the manufacturers product data for the material to be used, substrate and reinforcing designs, and see if there are any listed warnings about high humidity. You'll find data for most materials on the internet, usually from a manufacturers web site.

Field applied systems like Dryvit,and others, materials that have elastomeric properties etc, might be of interest, but there are a lot of materials out there, and in service, the manufacturers should be able to confirm whether the product is suited for the climate or not.

Portland based materials are usually strong, in all these systems it would appear that the bond strength is most important, along with reinforcing mesh design, and compressive strengths of the materials, portland based products are good performing materials, when it needs to be strong.

If a material that is permeable, one that can be saturated with moisture, causing delamination, spalling, fracturing, the manufacturer should warn you about it.


I'm really not that knowledgeable about stucco systems, knew the Dryvit systems quite well, kind of similar, mostly used on E.I.F.S. panels, also field applied to cementitious base systems reinforced with panzer mesh. Sounds like you need something that has good bond strength and possibly has a sealed finish to it when done, to keep moisture out, or at least it would seem that way, one thing in your favor is not having a freeze thaw cycle to contend with.

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IH2444

11-20-2007 18:44:31




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 Re: O/T Stucco on house in high humidity? in reply to Logan in S.E. Texas, 11-20-2007 17:32:10  
Stucco is very popular in FL.....
Humidity is very popular as well.



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RobMD

11-20-2007 17:43:16




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 Re: O/T Stucco on house in high humidity? in reply to Logan in S.E. Texas, 11-20-2007 17:32:10  
humidity penetrates- that is, the horizontal wood strips used to hold the mortar on expands under humidity.

Honestly, i've never seen it happen, then again, i live in the mid atlantic. I assume the deep south would have problems with cracking.



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tech4

11-20-2007 17:41:51




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 Re: O/T Stucco on house in high humidity? in reply to Logan in S.E. Texas, 11-20-2007 17:32:10  
Real Portland cement based Stucco is ok in high moisture but stay away from the synthetic stucco as some builders were using. Bad news stuff
See link below



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Billy NY

11-21-2007 09:21:50




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 Re: O/T Stucco on house in high humidity? in reply to tech4, 11-20-2007 17:41:51  
Read that after I posted, I remember the residential applications having problems, I think the dryvit system was a good one, but if the design of the building it's being used on is not sound, whereas moisture protection, drainage, weep systems, flashings are not high priority or do not work well with the building, and are not coordinated into the buildings thermal and moisture barriers properly, as well maintaining quality workmanship while installing system per the design documents, there can be lots of room for problems and or failure of the material systems used no matter what material it is or who manufacturers it.


I've been on some large E.I.F.S. jobs, heavy commercial type panels constructed of galvanized metal studs with an EIFS system applied to foam, dense glass gypsum board and cementitious board. The panelized systems work, as by design there is a cavity and weep system. The field applied to the sheet goods as mentioned above would be more prone to delamination, but Dryvit was a good product, their primus base coat is polymer based, excellent bond strength, I recall the elastomeric finishes being good, being installed by experienced people helps too.


Portland Cement based materials are usually superior materials, I think you would have to compare ASTM tests and or specifications to see this.

One thing I would never allow on any structural steel buildings I did, and even NY state design and construction disallowed it in there specifications, was gypsum based sprayed on fireproofing used to give the steel frame ratings called for in the drawings and spec's for the job. Portland based fireproofing was much better.

The reason was, that gypsum based fireproofing was too easily compromised, it's a weaker material, it would take a beating before it got covered up and floors finished during construction, too much would get knocked off, weather, all kinds of trades attaching their work to the steel scraping areas off that would cause the surrounding areas to fall off, lots of comeback work, re-applying the material would be necessary to insure the fire ratings of the steel were maintained per UL design.

Portland based products cost more, but hold up better with this fireproofing material and probably most others like stucco. Compressive strength adhesion/bond strength, impact specs would probably be better if it's made with portland cement.

I remember a material supplier attempting to get to me when I was doing state correctional facility work, he wanted to sell that gypsum based material to the general contractors like no tomorrow, just by the fact he got past all the barriers and finally got to me, knowing I approved/rejected materials for these jobs, he gave it the old college try, no deal though, substandard material and it violated the spec's for the job.

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