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Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in?

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motorv8N

12-04-2007 18:55:23

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OK, so I got just what I paid for. A crappy light duty ATV winch I was thinking might be handy to have. Got it home and discovered the bloody thing only winches in one direction -- in. You have to disengage the spool and pull slack out manually. That's great for setting up to pull but I can imagine all sorts of scenarios whereby you winch something a bit too far and want to let it out some. Of course you don't want to disengage the clutch with 2000# hanging on the other end...

Seems to me I could wire up a secondary switch to reverse the polarity of the 12 volts going to the motor to solve this problem.

Question for winch experts is, can it be that simple? I'm all for saving a buck but not when I might kill myself. That is, will winches of this design run in reverse under load in a controlled manner?

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12-17-2007 07:06:09

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to T_Bone, 12-04-2007 18:55:23

motorv8N said: (quoted from post at 08:54:48 12/09/07) Hey -- that's a neat little setup you got there mj. That winch and control looks exactly like the next one up in price where I was looking -- only was closer to a hundred or so. The one I have was $58. It's a miracle the thing works at all for that price I guess.

The plus side for the one I have is it came with a detatchable base plate with a big keyhole that slips over a ball hitch then pulls to lock in place. Easy to transfer between vehicles (or hang off the front of the tractor ball hitch). Sure would like to be able to reverse it tho.

HF sends me eMail cupons and I bought another one of these on the 14th for $39.95 third party image

The only problem I've had with the original (pictured) was the contacts in the switch corroded and I had to clean them this year. I believe this is the 3rd year for this winch which ain't bad for the money third party image

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motorv8N

12-09-2007 06:54:48

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to motorv8N, 12-04-2007 18:55:23

Hey -- that's a neat little setup you got there mj. That winch and control looks exactly like the next one up in price where I was looking -- only was closer to a hundred or so. The one I have was $58. It's a miracle the thing works at all for that price I guess.

The plus side for the one I have is it came with a detatchable base plate with a big keyhole that slips over a ball hitch then pulls to lock in place. Easy to transfer between vehicles (or hang off the front of the tractor ball hitch). Sure would like to be able to reverse it tho.

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12-07-2007 08:46:10

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to Joe(TX), 12-04-2007 18:55:23

I got this one from Harbor Freight on sale for $49.95 and it's power in/out with free-spooling. The plate it's mounted to let's me switch it between my two quads and will mount on the front or back. It's shown set up for the plow blade.

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motorv8N

12-06-2007 17:14:55

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-04-2007 18:55:23

Don-Wi said: (quoted from post at 04:24:40 12/06/07) Were you pulling on the cable while testing? Could be some type of ORC, but if it's got pressure on it yet it may work for what you want it to do.

Donovan from Wisconsin

Hmm -- no, don't think I was putting any pressure on the line. I'll try it again this weekend. Suppose I could try lifting the front of the Fergie a few feet off the ground and see what happens. third party image

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motorv8N

12-05-2007 11:04:17

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to motorv8N, 12-04-2007 18:55:23

Well -- that was simple. It does not run backwards. I think there's a rachet mechanism or some kind of line brake. The motor attempts to turn however, there's a clunk within half a second and the line stops, leaving the motor to hum.

Looks like I either return it and pay a little more for a true two way winch or use some of the other excellent suggestions regarding hand winches and chains.

I also learned that the line release mechanism is a friction type that is unscrewed until it starts to slip. Perhaps, with care and backup chains, I can pay a little line out underload then clamp it down where needed.

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Don-Wi

12-06-2007 00:24:40

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to motorv8N, 12-05-2007 11:04:17

Were you pulling on the cable while testing? Could be some type of ORC, but if it's got pressure on it yet it may work for what you want it to do.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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motorv8N

12-05-2007 10:31:08

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to motorv8N, 12-04-2007 18:55:23

Thanks for all the replies guys. Looks like the first order of business is a simple lead reversal to see what happens.

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Dick Lemmon

12-05-2007 09:04:45

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to motorv8N, 12-04-2007 18:55:23

I used a one way winch for years. Every now and then I need to let a load back to make steering adjustments or such. I just put a safety chain on and let it back on the chain. When I have to let a heavy load back a few feet I use two safety chains and work the load back that way. Takes a little time but ya just do what ya have to do when your stuck all alone. I do have a hand crank that I can turn the winch back some.
My 9000 pound winch mounted on my big trailer does have power both ways and I find it faster to put shift it to neutral and pull the cable out by hand.

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KEB1

12-05-2007 07:31:02

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to motorv8N, 12-04-2007 18:55:23

If its a permanent magnet motor, simply reversing the polarity of the input power at the motor will make it run in the other direction. If its a series or parallel wound motor, you have to change the relationship of the winding polarity between the field and the armature by swapping leads on one or the other, but not both. For a series wound motor, the same current flows through both the field and the armature, and robably the easiest place to switch would be at the brushes. If its a parallel wound motor, its probably easiest to switch the polarity of the field windings.

Connect 12 volts directly to the motor in both polarities & see if it runs in both directions. If it does, all you need is a switch. If it runs in the same direction no matter which way you connect the 12 volt supply, you'll have to modify the electrical connections internal to the motor to bring either the field or armature windings out to a switch.

Keith

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KEB1

12-05-2007 07:28:17

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to motorv8N, 12-04-2007 18:55:23

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12-05-2007 05:55:49

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to motorv8N, 12-04-2007 18:55:23

You can get a small Warn winch that has power in and power out for about $150-175.00. I think it is a warn works 1700.

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Howard H.

12-04-2007 21:08:23

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to motorv8N, 12-04-2007 18:55:23

I just mounted a locking dog heavy-duty hand winch off an old grain auger along side my main winch. It works great for holding the load while I want to rechain or whatever.

Plus, it is really handy for lighter stuff that is quick and easy...

Howard

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12-04-2007 20:28:55

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to motorv8N, 12-04-2007 18:55:23

First thing I would do is see if the motor will work both ways. as in hook it up the correct way and then back wards and see if it pulls and pushes. If it does then its just a matter of wiring up a switch or reverse the leads when you want it to power out. But not all of them will do that and some use starter type motors and if so you can't get it to work that way with out a whole lot of know how

Hobby farm

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Ryan - WI

12-04-2007 20:16:39

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to djfarmer, 12-04-2007 18:55:23

If it has an automatic line brake it will not work to run it in reverse. If it doesn't (I can't imagine it would) all a standard switch does is reverse the leads anyway.

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onefarmer

12-04-2007 20:04:01

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to motorv8N, 12-04-2007 18:55:23

Will it run backwards if you reverse the leads?? Just reverse them and go.

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Roger in Iowa

12-04-2007 19:19:44

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Re: Adapt cheap winch to power out as well as in? in reply to motorv8N, 12-04-2007 18:55:23

Get an X-2 Superwinch. Powers in and out.

Roger in Iowa

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