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prairie boy

12-19-2007 18:41:37




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have to dismount 2 rear tractor tires, anyone have an easy method of breaking the beads fom the rim , short of having tire dealer send out a service truck ???? THANKS IN ADVANCE.




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RobMD

12-20-2007 21:46:01




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
JD 644A front end loader. 2000 pound bucket cutting edge PLUS 3000 pound hyd. downpressure is no match for a rusted up tire bead.



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fixerupper

12-20-2007 19:10:34




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  

Eric's idea works pretty good. Post driver on a flat ended crow bar or ice bar gets the job done and you probably have both of them standing in the corner of the shop. Jim



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Ryne

12-20-2007 17:54:28




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
A slide hammer works good but as shown in the one picture a bucket and a blade work good when nothing else works.



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NW MO Poppers

12-20-2007 17:06:10




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
Do the words "tire tools" ring a bell? Go to an auction and buy some used spoon bars, a tire hammer, and a bead breaker (air AND manual) and go to work. It'll build character, as my dad always told me.



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44 massey

12-20-2007 17:03:59




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
I have a 450 with fast hitch (2pt) which has down pressure with a blade. Set the blade right next to the beed, has got the job done so far.



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Brian G. NY

12-20-2007 13:25:28




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
I'm in the process of "resurrecting" a vertical log splitter. When I "git-r-done" I am going to attempt to use it as a bead breaker. I may have to make some type of adaptor, nut I don't see why it can't work?! A friend of mine runs a small scrapyard and he uses a logsplitter to dismount tires but when he gets thru the wheel is
oval shaped and no longer usable. LOL



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Allan In NE

12-20-2007 10:29:58




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
If you're that dead-set against the tire man, throw 'em on the ground and drive over 'em with another vehicle.

Full size truck works the best.

Allan



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Mike M

12-20-2007 06:37:32




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
In addition to some of the below ideas and tools I have used a wide thin chiesl ( I think was for splitting bricks ? )and drive it in between the bead and the rim and keep working all around and pull out on it and even pry on it with your tire irons. Easy ones pop quick rusted ones you just keep driving that bead back a little at a time.

I have also used the loader bucket with a piece of wood to push down on. I cut a slight bevel on the one end of the board so it stays put better.

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ericlb

12-20-2007 04:36:31




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
ive used all the methods mentioned below the gas one is new to me and i'll remember it for next time i do all my own tire work [ long story] i made a bead breaker by taking a 4 foot digging bar, and putting my t-post driver on it, works well, use the wedge end, not the point end on the tire



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Harold Hubbard

12-20-2007 04:18:25




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
You didn't say if you were using the tires over or if they are junk. If there is no chance of ever using the tires again take a sawzall and cut right through them clear through the beads on both sides. Once you have done this they will break down much easier.The best diesel powered bead breaker is the stabilizer on a big backhoe.



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PaulW_NJ

12-20-2007 03:59:15




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to Bill(Wis), 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
Had a particularly difficult time a few years ago with a second hand tire I bought that was rusted onto it's rim. Having a friend with equipment sure came in handy. . . .

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railhead

12-20-2007 03:03:32




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
take your hi lift jack and a piece of chain with a hook on it. run the chain thru the wheel. put your hi lift jack base on the sidewall of tire, as close to the bead as possible. Run the chain and hook it over the jack lug. Now jack it up making the jack base push the sidewall and bead down. You might have to move this around the wheel a couple of times, 10 inches or so, but the bead will break.

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glennster

12-20-2007 10:18:20




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to railhead, 12-20-2007 03:03:32  
rail head, that is the way i do them too. i have a tire hammer, but my right shoulder is kinda shot and hard to swing a sledge. i mix water and dish soap, squirt it around the bead and push down, may need to move the jack a few times, and be careful cause the jack likes to slip. third party image

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railhead

12-20-2007 14:47:32




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to glennster, 12-20-2007 10:18:20  
works like a charm



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Arkandan

12-20-2007 02:51:43




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
Go here ( Link ) and they show how to do it with a "Bead Buster". I've had one for many years and it is an effortless task when you use this thing. I can't believe what they are asking for it now! I may not have the super heavy duty one. Ask around and maybe someone in your vicinity may have one they let you use.



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davpal

12-19-2007 23:50:56




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
I have rolled them under a heavy tractor and used a hydraulic jack to push down on the bead while jacking up the tractor. I had a heavy 4wd tractor to use though! It works good. Put the pressure on the bead with the jack and hit it near the jack with a railroad bar.



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old

12-19-2007 22:28:34




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
Pure and simple buy a tire hammer. They are made to do just that and have been used now for 50 plus year. Cost you around $35-50 for one and it will last you your life plus you sons and his sons if taken care of. I own 2 of them and I don't pay people to fix my tractor tires



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trucker40

12-19-2007 21:48:34




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  

Wedge,sledge hammer,dish soap is as good or better than gas.Cheaper nowdays.If its off and you can lay it down,you might run another tractor over it and bust it down.You just run a front wheel up on it then get as close to the steel rim as you can with the side of the tire.That might work if its not stuck real bad.
A lot of times I dont go to the trouble of getting dish soap or tire soap and spray it with wd 40 if I have any.Just drive a tire wedge in it somewhere if you can,while the wedge is in there try to spray the bead inside.Do that in a couple of places,it usually comes off.I do that to big truck tires,but I have done it to tractor tires before. Then take the same tire tools they use to dismount truck tires,you need 2 of them,they are curved on one end,straight on the other and work them off.That part isnt as bad,but you might need a helper.If you dont know how to use those kind of tire tools you need to watch a tire man for a while use one.They make it look easy but its not.It is easy to mess up a bead with them if you dont know what you are doing.Its also easy to pinch a tube with them,so you have to be real carefull.Since you wanted to know how to do it,you can probobly figure it out.If you run a tractor over the tire to bust it down it can get rocks in it if you do it in the gravel you need concrete floor. 2 of those tire tools cost about 100 dollars.I dont know what a tire man charges.

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JMS/.MN

12-19-2007 21:47:48




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
Do you have a skidsteer, or loader tractor, or a friend with one, and push against the tire bead? Or, a friend that can hold a post between your pickup bumper and the tractor tire, while you back up? Short of that, a wood splitter wedge and a maul.



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dave guest

12-19-2007 21:06:46




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
Guy at the truck stop uses sledge hammer. Don't remember gasoline, but sounds good. Makes it look easy but I stick to car tires.



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old timer in ohio

12-19-2007 19:21:13




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
Hey there prairie boy;
You might try,northerntool.com
I'm sure I saw some tire tools
in their summer catalog. Bob
God Bless



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gene beckham

12-19-2007 19:16:21




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
this may sound silly but old man at a tire repair shop told me to pour gasoline around the bead wait a couple of minutes then hit it with your tire wedge.The gas eat at the rust of 40 plus years of calcuim. Three or four licks should break it down. Sounds dumb but it works every time for me. Good luck Wildman from mo.



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RobMD

12-19-2007 19:32:12




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to gene beckham, 12-19-2007 19:16:21  
Or you could just get a match, you already got the fuel!



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Jaden

12-19-2007 18:44:27




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 Re: breaking tire bead in reply to prairie boy, 12-19-2007 18:41:37  
I have done it by carefully using wood splitting wedges.



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