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Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe?

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ebbsspeed

12-31-2007 14:51:21




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I'm thinking about getting a small lathe and have noticed that there are some called "engine" lathes, where others are called "tool" lathes or just plain metal lathes. Can someone give me a quick primer on the difference, and what can be done on one that can't be done on another? Thanks!




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dave guest

01-01-2008 19:25:24




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 Re: Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe? in reply to ebbsspeed, 12-31-2007 14:51:21  
Thanks Bob, a picture is worth a thousand words or maybe more.



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XRogerX

01-01-2008 17:26:41




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 Re: Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe? in reply to ebbsspeed, 12-31-2007 14:51:21  
My machinist instructor told me that the term "engine lathe" came into use to denote lathes used for the making of steam locomotives in the 19th century. I would assume this term was used to differentiate it from other types of lathes used mostly for woodworking. I have also come to associate toolroom lathes with smaller lathes used for one-off production of scientific and tooling parts. Every "toolroom" lathe I have seen also had a spring collet chuck, though that is probably more of a coincidence than anything else.

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TimV

01-01-2008 05:43:07




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 Re: Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe? in reply to ebbsspeed, 12-31-2007 14:51:21  
Ebbspeed: "toolroom" is just a generic marketing term meant to make the buyer think the lathe is more accurate. There is no specific set of features that would seperate a "toolroom" lathe from a "regular" lathe. It"s the same routine as calling a tool "professional" or "contractor" grade--the name doesn"t mean anything if it"s not backed up with quality construction.



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tiresntracks

01-01-2008 11:24:57




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 Re: Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe? in reply to TimV, 01-01-2008 05:43:07  
I was taught that an engine lathe was given that name because it could be used for machining engine parts. I have a old machinists book that shows how to turn a crankshaft on a lathe. I'd like to post a copy of that page here, but I can't, because my scanner quit working.



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Bob

01-01-2008 14:51:23




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 Re: Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe? in reply to tiresntracks, 01-01-2008 11:24:57  
I'd suspect the term "engine lathe" almost PREDATES the internal combustion engine being a common thing.

I'd say if the term "engine latthe is derived from usong the lathe on ENGINE parts, it would have had to originate in the "steam era".



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ohio

12-31-2007 19:22:23




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 Re: Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe? in reply to ebbsspeed, 12-31-2007 14:51:21  
"Engine" lathe is a generic term for your normal metal lathe with a carriage, compound, and tail stock. The alternative would be a turret lathe, It would have a ram with an indexable turret instead of a traditional tailstock. These are production lathes. A "tool room" lathe is alot more accurate, usually with spindle speeds up to & above 3k rpm. Typically stout little "ee" Monarchs, or Hardinges or the like. They seldom swing over 18", or fit much over 48" between centers.

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dave guest

12-31-2007 18:45:53




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 Re: Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe? in reply to ebbsspeed, 12-31-2007 14:51:21  
So an engine lathe is for turning crankshaft journals only or in addition to turning straight stock and shafts? I know nothing of either, really. Help.



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dave guest

12-31-2007 18:45:38




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 Re: Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe? in reply to ebbsspeed, 12-31-2007 14:51:21  
So an engine lathe is for turning crankshaft journals only or in addition to turning straight stock and shafts? I know nothing of either, really. Help.



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Bob

12-31-2007 21:37:28




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 Re: Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe? in reply to dave guest, 12-31-2007 18:45:38  
An "engine lathe" has NOTHING to do with grinding a crankshaft, or other operations pertaining to an internal combustion engine.

You would use a "crankshaft grinder" for that purpose,a crank journals are "ground", NOT "turned".

ENGINE LATHE DEFINITION:

"An engine lathe is a horizontally shaped piece of machinery that is most often used to turn metal manually. By turning the metal and using special cutting tools, the engine lathe is capable of forming the metal into specific shapes. As its name implies, the engine lathe is often used to create metal pieces for use in an engine, whether it be for an automobile, a tractor, a boat, or any other motorized vehicle or machine.

Although people use the engine lathe primarily for spinning sheet metals, it is also used for drilling, making square blocks, and creating shafts. Candle cup dies, forge burner nozzles, foundry pattern core boxes, and prints are other products an engine lathe can produce. Most modern tools were made with the help of an engine lathe. In addition, those who own an engine lathe can make their own tools with the machine. For these reasons, the engine lathe is often referred as a reproductive machine.

The features of an engine lathe include gears, a carriage, a tailstock, and a stepped pulley used for various spindle speeds. The gears in the engine lathe are used to power the carriage. In turn, the carriage bolsters the cutting tools. The tailstock is used to support the hole-drilling process that takes place in the spindle.

Engine lathes were popular in the 19th and 20th centuries at blacksmith shops and are still widely used today. There have, however, been a few amendments to the engine lathe over the years. In the original engine lathe, the carriage would trap all the dust and dirt. When this mixed with the oil in the machine, it would create a grinding motion as the carriage moved back and forth while turning and shaping the metal. The constant grinding eventually wore the machine down and made it useless.

Today, the carriage on an engine lathe is self-oiling at the front and the rear. The carriage on the engine lathe has also been improved, and is built to protect the machine from the remnants of the jobs it performs."

From "Britannica":

"The engine lathe, as the horizontal metal-turning machine is commonly called, is the most important of all the machine tools. It is usually considered the father of all other machine tools because many of its fundamental mechanical elements are incorporated into the design of other machine tools."

ANOTHER definition:

"{Engine lathe}, a turning lathe in which the cutting tool has
an automatic feed; -- used chiefly for turning and boring
metals, cutting screws, etc."

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El Toro

12-31-2007 17:56:53




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 Re: Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe? in reply to ebbsspeed, 12-31-2007 14:51:21  
Engine lathes are made different to be able to grind the offset rod journals & most metal lathes are used to machine round stock to close tolerances. Hal



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Bob

12-31-2007 21:42:30




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 Re: Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe? in reply to El Toro, 12-31-2007 17:56:53  
Toro...

Ever see a machine shop use a "lathe" to "turn" a crankshaft?

HIGHLY doubtful... they'd use a "crankshaft grinder", a entirely different animal than an "engine lathe".

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"Engine Lathe"... I think NOT!



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El Toro

01-01-2008 03:36:29




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 Re: Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe? in reply to Bob, 12-31-2007 21:42:30  
Thats the lathe. Thanks for the orrection. Hal



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Dusty MI

12-31-2007 16:36:42




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 Re: Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe? in reply to ebbsspeed, 12-31-2007 14:51:21  
Lathes that are small enough to carry to a basement bring good money. Larger ones are cheaper. We are talking about used.



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Gun guru

12-31-2007 15:30:22




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 Re: Difference between engine lathe and metal lathe? in reply to ebbsspeed, 12-31-2007 14:51:21  
I have been a toolmaker for years and I dont know the real difference between the two. I guess a tool lathe is a bench top smaller one and an engine lathe is a large standalone type, with a larger motor. I have a 1408 Lodge and Shipley lathe at work, heavy duty it weighs 3300lbs. 7.5 HP motor, variable speed too. Only cuts english threads. Very accurate, carriage runout is .0001 for every 1". Not bad for a 38 year old machine. What ever you get be sure that you can fit it through the shop door and try to get a single phase 220VAC.

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