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Winch for logging - question

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JK-NY

03-08-2008 08:36:38

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After looking over the tractor mounted pto logging winches at the NY Farm show a couple weeks ago, I was thinking something like that would be handy. They dont often come up used, and I dont want to spring for a new one. I was thinking of making a bracket for a box blade I allready own , and mounting a winch on this. The box blade would be lowered and anchor the winch during winching. I wouldnt be pulling real heavy amounts, mostly pulling out hardwood tops for firewood, one at a time. My questions are , does anyone with a 12v winch ( like what you see on pickups and jeeps)use it for purposes like this , and about how much winch capacity will I need. Or do I need a heavier winch.If a 12v winch wont cut it, I'd like to find one off an old wrecker that I could drive with the pto.

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Jeef

03-19-2008 22:14:25

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to JK-NY, 03-08-2008 08:36:38

Sonny not to say you are wrong, but how do the jeep mounted hydraulic winches work? I looked at them and they are running off of the high pressure output of the power steering and return to the resivour?

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(sonny)

03-20-2008 20:03:15

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to Jeef, 03-19-2008 22:14:25

jeef, you are right if it is hydraulic. all you need is pressure. if it gear or chain driven it must turn both directions. sonny

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maplehillfrm

03-21-2008 07:12:34

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to (sonny), 03-20-2008 20:03:15

Not necessarily,, I had a older tow truck, 1970, it had a chain driven winch operated off the truck pto, engaged both ways, you had to neutral out the winch before changing directions but you should do that anyway.. I thnk the gears inside the unit went through a set and would change direction,, It had a sliding gear mechanism,, pat

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dentvet2

03-09-2008 09:19:29

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to JK-NY, 03-08-2008 08:36:38

Milemarker touts its hydraulic light truck winch. it might not be that expensive if your tractor already has remote hydraulics back there. the milemarkers run off of a pickups power steering pump. you could probably do that on the tractor somehow. then you have no pto hassles (although you could spin a pto mounted hydraulic pump from tractor supply pretty easily) and no 12 volt motor hassles either. I've also been told that a used 20 ton winch is cheaper than some of the small 6 ton winches. alot of the big winches are hydraulic.

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oldmax

03-08-2008 19:38:24

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to JK-NY, 03-08-2008 08:36:38

Don't plan on using an electric wench very long at a time Motors aren't contionus duty are made from starter motors . Will burn up.

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maplehillfrm

03-08-2008 16:44:58

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to JK-NY, 03-08-2008 08:36:38

here is one I made about a year ago, it has a 9500 lb jap winch on it, It works good, I did weld some teeth to the bottom to hold it in the ground though..

I can also put it on my gooseneck and use it for non running tractors to winch up..

This was an old handmade bail spear set up, but it was too low, so I had the start of a stout frame,, pat

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JK-NY

03-08-2008 17:48:46

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to maplehillfrm, 03-08-2008 16:44:58

Is that winch powerful enough to skid out small trees ? What you have made is along the lines of what I have in mind except I would use a box blade for a base and mount the winch on that, then use the blade like the butt plate on a store bought skidding winch , chain the log to it , raise my hitch and pull out logs with one end held up off the ground.Thanks to all that replied.

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maplehillfrm

03-08-2008 21:11:05

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to JK-NY, 03-08-2008 17:48:46

Its worked good for me, It will pull a good size maple up an incline about 40 feet down the hill, with no trouble, then once up I hook it and pull it to the landing or down to the shed,, the hauling time gives the winch its "cooling off" time, but I never had any trouble using it to pull a few trees in a row either,, pto winch may be better, but this works fine,, I like the idea of teh box blade, that would give you the best of both worlds, enough weight and a cutting edge to hold, and will lift the log if need be,, good luck pat

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jose bagge

03-08-2008 14:50:04

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to JK-NY, 03-08-2008 08:36:38

could you make one? possibly take the third member out of some jap Independent rear vehicle (like a Datsun 510)that would give you gear reduction. bolt a car wheel to one CV mount as a winch spool, and figure out a hitch pin "lock for the other axle. Pull the hitchpin and the open diff would let you pull the cable easily to your load- lock it down and engage PTO to winch out? I don't know what kind of reduction a winch usually has...

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JK-NY

03-08-2008 18:00:18

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to jose bagge, 03-08-2008 14:50:04

Thanks for the reply - I dont think a car rear end would give me enough reduction?? (Too fast - not enough pull). I'll have to do some math and compare what my drum speed - or line speed would be with a car rear end.That would be an easy way to make one if it worked out.

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jose bagge

03-09-2008 06:05:20

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to JK-NY, 03-08-2008 18:00:18

Maybe an old 3 speed trans, and pull sideways? first and reverse usually the same shift lever....it would give you power in/power out.
bolt a wheel on the back for a spool?
bang third and really pull fast!

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mapl3e

03-09-2008 07:13:08

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to jose bagge, 03-09-2008 06:05:20

you would want more torque than speed. with that much speed you are losing torque,, and even if it would pull it up that fast, you need to be going slower in the event that the log gets jammed on a tree or root or rock, and stands your tractor on end or snaps the cable, fast aint always better,

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eli fish

03-08-2008 12:13:00

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to JK-NY, 03-08-2008 08:36:38

I use a gear reduction unit out of an old elevator. It even came with a spool. A good place to start might be Surplus Center at 1-800-488-3407 Catalogs are free and prices are good. I have found them to be very valuable even just for looking through the book to see what kind of things I can build.

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JK-NY

03-08-2008 17:51:02

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to eli fish, 03-08-2008 12:13:00

Thanks for the reply - I have a couple old Surplus Center catalogs and have been looking thru them. I ordered a new catalog the other day.

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eli fish

03-08-2008 20:02:30

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to JK-NY, 03-08-2008 17:51:02

How about an old 3 or 4 spd tranny out of a car or truck or something. make a couple brackets and shaft adapter couple bearings on spool ends and voila, super duper multi-speed pto winch!

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eli fish

03-08-2008 12:29:15

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to eli fish, 03-08-2008 12:13:00

Didn't know they had a website too. www.surpluscenter.com

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Cal Innes

03-08-2008 12:05:53

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to JK-NY, 03-08-2008 08:36:38

Long ago I built a winch with the drum running straight back from the pto(as opposed to running it at right angle to the pto). For the winch drum I used a piece of 3 inch pipe mounted between to pillow block bearings and 2 heavy discs from a disc harrow for the sidewalls and 3/8 inch cable. This worked pretty well on an old Massey to-30, but as time went on, I was using larger tractors and finally bought a good Norse model 400 winch. Best move I ever did. There is no log that wont come along.I have pulled 45 inch oak 10 footers and 18 inch pine at tree length. For smaller firewood, I usually am pulling 3 to 5 at a time and it sure makes short work of the firewood routine. I think an electric 12 volt winch would wear out fairly quickly and they are really slow as they are not rated for continuous use. I think if you could find an old wrecker winch or a military winch you could have some fun with that.Whatever you decide to do, run the cable through a top pulley at least 4 feet high so that the log will not hang up as easily, but if you have a really strong winch be sure you dont tip the tractor. It goes over REALLY easy sideways and can stand even a 45 horse tractor on end.....gotta pay attention when winching! Cal

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JK-NY

03-08-2008 17:54:48

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to Cal Innes, 03-08-2008 12:05:53

I agree that a pto winch would be better than 12v.Not sure if I'll find a good one reasonably priced , but I'll look.Thanks for your reply.

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(sonny)

03-19-2008 15:12:25

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Re: Winch for logging - question in reply to JK-NY, 03-08-2008 17:54:48

PTO runs one direction on tractor. PTO must run both directions for winching operations.

good luck sonny

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