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homerm

04-25-2008 06:52:10




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On march 11th 2008 I paid a local contractor to pave/resurface a parking lot at my business. One week later grass started growing through it. Now is has been 45 days or so and there is a lot of grass growing through it. The contractor is spraying roundup on it but the grass is winning. He says in a response to my questioning of the problem that as prep for the lot he: scraped up all grass and hauled off, killed any remaining grass with salt, hauled in base and compacted to level existing surface where there were holes and old broken up asphalt, and applied 2 inches of asphalt hot mix, rolled and compated. I believe that the prep is the problem, he says he did a good job... We are at a point where we are both unhappy. I am unhappy because I have a $15,500 lot that has lots of grass growing through, he is unhappy because I am talking about it a lot. I would like to know what the users of this site think my options are.

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WantACaseLASomeday

04-28-2008 19:34:44




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to IH2444, 04-25-2008 06:52:10  
Bermuda grass cannot be stopped by asphalt. It will come up almost as easily as in regular soil. Lack of sunlight does not deter it either since the sun can shine on runners of the same plant several feet away - each runner does not need to get sun. The asphalt walking path on our local park is just being eaten up by bermuda - and it's at least 3 inches thick and was laid by professional highway constructors to county "government" standards.

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TomTex

04-28-2008 09:23:23




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to homerm, 04-25-2008 06:52:10  
Keep in mind that each grass or weed that comes through leaves a hole in the asphalt, even if you keep killing them with chemicals. You got a very poor job. If it is 2 inches, and it is probably less after compacting, and has lots of grass holes in it, then the water is going to penetrate under it, freeze, and bust it all up in pieces. I would get a complete re-do on the job and negotiate paying some extra to make it 4 inches. Don't just add 2 more inches on the mess you have now - - rip it up and start over. Tom

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John - OH

04-26-2008 19:29:45




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to homerm, 04-25-2008 06:52:10  
Sounds like prep wasn't done properly. Must not of removed/ killed all the grass before the base went down. Salt for a pre-emergent???? Salt will kill grass/weeds, but not the most effective pre-emergent herbicide. Just my 2 cents.



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Jiles

04-26-2008 07:39:57




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to homerm, 04-25-2008 06:52:10  
What puzzles me is that I lay a single sheet of newspaper between the rows of my garden, and the grass and weeds don't come up through it! Of course this doesn't last forever. Grass will die if it can't get sunlight.



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PJH

04-26-2008 06:17:19




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to homerm, 04-25-2008 06:52:10  
Don't let any tandems or semis on that 2 inch lot, and especially no garbage trucks or dumpsters. Two inches is about what the top finish layer should be, with a four inch asphalt base mix under it. It doesn't take grass very long to come up through a thin asphalt surface. Asphalt is expensive - costs go up in relation to the fuel costs that we see at the pump. If I were to spread two inches total on a parking lot, I would expect an unhappy customer. I hope you can resolve this peacefully.

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RobMD

04-25-2008 20:52:07




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to homerm, 04-25-2008 06:52:10  
I don't get how grass could grow through two inches of rolled asphalt, PERIOD. You better get out there and see exactly how much of a layer is really on there.. Grass can't grow through pavement unless the mixture is so porous that water would get in there easily.

A porous mix on a road is disastrous. We had a road that shrunk as it was being baked by the sun... water got in the mini-pockets, and froze, busted the road.

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Philmar Farms

04-25-2008 16:59:20




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to homerm, 04-25-2008 06:52:10  
We always used Ortho Triox. There were applcation rates for 25 yearsof sterlity.



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Gary from Muleshoe

04-25-2008 16:13:34




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to homerm, 04-25-2008 06:52:10  
I had a parking lot redone last summer, and also they cut in and made some new parking and a driveway to the warehouse. After all was done the contractor had a little asphalt left over so he made the drive way to the warehouse a bit wider. He just layed the extra over the grass and it began to grow through. Sounds like your was done this way. I agree with the other fellow below if it was done right there is no way grass will grow through it. Make the the contractor redo the job completely and this time watch him like a hawk.

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bc

04-25-2008 14:59:04




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to homerm, 04-25-2008 06:52:10  
I'm not sure how grass would be coming back up through rolled asphalt so soon.

Without placing fault, you might have gotten what you paid for though. 2" of asphalt even on a compacted base will not last very long. It will break up with a car after a while. It is definitely not enough to do a business parking lot with all the traffic on them. You would be much better off having them put down another lift of 2" to 3". 4" is a minimum for a drive or parking with 5" to 6" even better especially if driving pickups, one-tons, and tractors on it. Streets generally start at 8" of asphalt with semis driving on them with up to 11" at intersections and we all know how not very long it takes for potholes to develop. Of course, the extra asphalt costs bookoo thousands of dollars more and most people try to get by on the cheap with a thin driveway. I personally would leave a parking lot or driveway in gravel unless I could afford 5" to 6" of concrete or asphalt with a preference to concrete. Even asphalt, just like highways, has to be resealed and even chip sealed every few years to maintain it since it will still crack and water will get underneath and then the freeze thaw cycle will create potholes.

Most parking lots like Walmart are laid with at least 4" of asphalt. Every few years they have to come in to overlay everything or else have a rundown looking lot. Even then, they still develop potholes. Where the cars sit develop depressions around the tires. Then dripping oil from cars makes asphalt detererate more. Pour diesel on asphalt and the asphalt will just melt.

I used to do some road construction and operated a paver among other equipment. We did the small parking lots when the state wouldn't let us do their roads because it was too wet or too cold to do it according to state or fed specs. Go figure.

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hay

04-25-2008 08:10:06




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to homerm, 04-25-2008 06:52:10  
asphalt is just like fertilizer. i used to work for the state hwy. dept. and we would put down seed on repaired washouts and spray a tack coat of asphalt over it to hold until a rain. it would fertilize the seeds and make it so green compared to the surrounding area.



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CNKS

04-25-2008 07:44:43




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to homerm, 04-25-2008 06:52:10  
Roundup at about 1qt/acre, the 4 lb/gallon stuff, the REAL Roundup (generic is ok) will kill the existing grass. Problem is he "scraped" the old grass off and it is coming up from the root. Pramitol might work, but it needs to be below the asphalt at the source of the grass. IMO you need to keep spraying it, eventually you will get it all--but it will take a while. Salt? maybe, but in well established grass, the root system is deep, and when he covered it with asphalt he sealed the water off so the salt can't soak into the soil where it will do any good, the grass grows thru it.

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davediehl@hotmail.com

04-25-2008 07:35:31




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to homerm, 04-25-2008 06:52:10  
If its properly paved and sealed, there should be nothing growing. My drive is blacktop and I reseal it every 2 years. There is nothing growing in mine. I'm not a professional, but I'd say you got bent over.



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Al E Newman

04-25-2008 07:11:50




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to homerm, 04-25-2008 06:52:10  
Sound like you got screwed. If in fact the job was done as you described, there is no way fresh grass is going to come up through compacted base followed by 2" of compacted asphalt.

(salt for pre-emergent?)

Sounds like you need a licensed engineer to survey the job. Do some certified (to the best of your ability) core samples and contact any contractor licensing dept. along with the courts to get things rolling fast.

By the sounds of it, his mobile operation might just move on before you get satisfaction if you don't move quick.

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Paulinkansas

04-25-2008 07:07:36




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to homerm, 04-25-2008 06:52:10  
Use a residual herbicide, not a contact herbicide. Pramitol.



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T-Rev

04-25-2008 07:45:05




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 Re: asphalt with grass growing through it in reply to Paulinkansas, 04-25-2008 07:07:36  
Definately Core Samples as mentioned above. Look in the yellowpages or online for an asphalt engineering service and have them core the lot and run tests on the surface to see if it is proper.



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