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208/230 Volts vs. 240 Volts

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Art

12-05-2001 04:38:23




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I am looking at two versions of an Air Compressor.
One model uses a 7.5 HP motor at 208/230 Volts, the other model uses a 7 HP motor at 240 Volts. Both are sold by the same company (SNAP ON) and both are rated at the same output psi and CFM.
The question I have is, what is the difference between the 208/230 and 240 volt current ratings.
Thanks




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MarkB

12-06-2001 02:52:16




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 Re: 208/230 Volts vs. 240 Volts in reply to Art, 12-05-2001 04:38:23  
208 is the the phase-to-phase voltage between two legs of a 120 volt "wye" three phase circuit. (120 x square root of three = 208). It's commonly used with single phase military equipment, which must run off of 120 volt three phase "wye" power. Many single phase motors are rated at 208 for this purpose.



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VaTom

12-06-2001 03:58:15




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 Re: Re: 208/230 Volts vs. 240 Volts in reply to MarkB, 12-06-2001 02:52:16  
MarkB, thanks for the explanation. I've seen lots of 208 v. motors. Didn't know why or what they were good for. Once I experimented by hooking one into 240 v. Very short experiment.



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Dusty

12-05-2001 05:38:14




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 Re: 208/230 Volts vs. 240 Volts in reply to Art, 12-05-2001 04:38:23  
Art,
The 208/230 Volt is probably 3 phase.
Dusty



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Mark Kw

12-05-2001 10:37:37




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 Re: Re: 208/230 Volts vs. 240 Volts in reply to Dusty, 12-05-2001 05:38:14  
Sorry, read the first post wrong. I meant to say "Dusty is correct". Sorry about the screw-up.



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Mark Kw

12-05-2001 07:11:58




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 Re: Re: 208/230 Volts vs. 240 Volts in reply to Dusty, 12-05-2001 05:38:14  
Art is correct. Normally when motors are rated in voltage you will see something as follows:

Single phase ratings are usually written as such: "120/240 volt" or "120 volt" or "240 volt"

Three phase ratings are usually written as such: "208/230 volt" ; "208/240 volt" ; "208/230 - 460 volt" or "208/240 - 480 volt"

Somewhere on the rating should be listed the phase of the motor so you know for sure what it is you are looking at.

The 208 systems are not common. Most common is the 240 volt system, be it single or three phase. Some older ratings read "230" but this is the same as "240" volt. Almost all the new rating you will see written will be "120", "240", "480" or "575". Looking at some of the older ratings listed in books you may see "200", "208", "230", "240", "277", "380", "400", "415", "460", "475", "480" and "575".

Some of these are European voltages which are usually at 50 Hz (cycles per second) as opposed to United States standard of 60 Hz. Some motors are rated for both 50/60 Hz but will have slightly different Rpm's and amperage draws for each. Some equipment is also multi-tap which can be run on a host of different voltages.

For most common USA equipment, "110/115/120" are interchangeable as is "220/230/240" and "460/475/480".

Hope this helps. When looking at this stuff you need to watch the "phase" so you are comparing apples to apples.

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RayClark

04-23-2005 07:58:33




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 Re: Re: Re: 208/230 Volts vs. 240 Volts in reply to Mark Kw, 12-05-2001 07:11:58  
I was sent a 120/230 volt i phase motor to wire up, I only have 120/208 service. will the motor run on 208 volts? Thanks Ray



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Art

12-05-2001 09:08:53




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 Re: Re: Re: 208/230 Volts vs. 240 Volts in reply to Mark Kw, 12-05-2001 07:11:58  
This refers to the question I posted on your board about the differences between the Snap On Signature Series vs. the 'normal' Snap On compressor. Both are listed as Single Phase electrical requiments, but it could be that the 208/230V can be converted. Also the 'normal' Snap On is listed as having a magnetic starter.
Thanks



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Denny Frisk

12-05-2001 11:32:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 208/230 Volts vs. 240 Volts in reply to Art, 12-05-2001 09:08:53  
There's really no such thing as a 7 HP elec. motor. I think what You'll find is that air compressor motors run intermitantly and they rate the motors in an Over-Load condition. The 7.5 HP motor is probably on the better compressor and makes more air, has a higher duty cycle (probably 100%) and costs WAY more $$$$$. The 7 Hp is really an over-rated 3 HP, will have 50% duty cycle, smaller tank, CFM/Min. and Price tag. I've been torn between an I-R 5 HP on a 60 gal. tank, the 5 HP I-R on the 80 Gal. tank and the 7.5 HP I-R. I've finally decided to go with the 7.5 HP.... When i can afford it.

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george

12-07-2001 23:20:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 208/230 Volts vs. 240 Volts in reply to Denny Frisk, 12-05-2001 11:32:53  
denny, you are correct ,there is no 7 hp motor.
1,1 1/2,2,3,5,7 1/2/&10 etc.

if you want a good compressor , buy a quincy, they make I-R look like junk. they have a real crank, not a pin hung out in the air to break off, I have both kinds . will replace I-R with quincy.

george



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Mark Kw

12-05-2001 10:36:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 208/230 Volts vs. 240 Volts in reply to Art, 12-05-2001 09:08:53  
Post the snappy part numbers for each and I'll look them up and see what I can find out for you. If all else fails, I'll call my dealer and get all the info on them for you.



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Art

12-05-2001 12:12:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 208/230 Volts vs. 240 Volts in reply to Mark Kw, 12-05-2001 10:36:20  
It's pretty much a done deal, Snappy had a 5HP 14 CFM unit on the truck as a special, I traded some excess Snap-On hand tools I hope I won't ever be using again on it, and then he says he has a bigger compressor that he had bought for his own use, but it turned out to be too much, so he had me hooked and I now am a proud (if somewhat ill-informed) owner of a slightly used, complete with warranty, BRA718V (7HP 23.5 CFM)for an extra $500. The kicker is I have to haul it home and convince a friend to store it for me until I build my shop.

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Dave K

12-05-2001 18:32:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 208/230 Volts vs. 240 Volts in reply to Art, 12-05-2001 12:12:22  
Just a couple of comments to this discussion. As pointed out HP does not = hp just as in cars. An electric motor of 5 hp will require a starter. With a starter you can adjust the trips for the actual voltage being used and the actual motor amperage from the nameplate. This information is usually in the starter cover. This is worth doing since the best motor protection will be from the starter overloads properly sized.

Most utilities don't allow "across the line" starting of motors over 5 hp single phase without permission. (This is seldom enforced) The bigger question is if you need three phase power is it available and is affordable. Getting three phase power can be a major expense to run a single tool. If the tool of your dreams only come in three phase power configurations you can use what is called a rotary phase converter. Good luck

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