When someone wont get off your property..?

Getting physical is not a good idea unless they attack you first.

Few years back up in N. Minn, a farmer forcible ejected a couple of hunters that were trespassing on his farm during hunting season. He shot near them, and kicked them in butt a few times getting them off his land.

Since he'd used a gun in doing that, he spent three years in the state prison for that with no chance of parole during the time spent.

The year after it happened the sheriff's department made a more serious effort to contain trespassers.

posting signs is about a useless as you knowwaht on a bull. If people wanna go some place they will walk right by them or tear them down, same as fences and any other kind of barrier.

Most people shy away from even getting out of there cars on the ranch, as soon as they hit the top of teh drive the dog jumps on them, lets just say her bark is a lot worse than her bite.

even if no one is home, and they get passed the dog then the animals take over, some one walking around where there not supposed to be might find them selves running back out the same way they came in because hot on there heals might be a a realy cranky ram or two.

IF people have any smarts they don't mess around being some place there not supposed to be, and if they don't have any smarts they find out the hard way to stay out.

And if none of this all works you take down there plate #, hop into the old truck, chuck in a couple of lawn chairs, beer chest and have a sit down protest in that yuppies front yard in town. Just tell the cops you whee invited to his barbaque, that he doesn't know about yet. <:-)

If the property is fenced and gated and they had to make an effort to get in, then it is defiant tresspass, which is quite a bit more serious, and usually warrants a more vigorous police response.
....It also may lower your insurance premiums

The first problem is the legislators are enacting laws that serve lawbreakers intrests and feed money into attorneys coffers. This is not surprising as most of the lawmakers are attorneys, but then, they were voted into office by people who should know better. Second problem is welfare, it has been my experience that most of police work, about 85 to 90 percent, is caused by those on welfare. They don't have to work and therefore have time to go out at all hours committing illegal acts, the state will even give them extra money to pay fines when thay are arrested. If the welfare system were totally halted the incidence of and costs of crime would fall drastically.

Thirdly, children today are not disclipined because their parents, who were raised by parents who were largely undisclipined themselves. I have seen instance after instance when parents were arguing that their criminal children should be let off and then complain when someone elses children do the same thing to them. I understand that most of these people don't come from country families, but nontheless, still have to be dealt with by rural folks.

There really aren't any good answers to the problem, using an implied threat such as Mark Hendershot uses is a good response, the best thing is to contact the police, realizing they're rarely going to get there in time, and to make a photographic record of the criminal. When one understands that 3% of the police make 95% of all arrests then one realizes why they might not be in a hurry to come to your aid. I was proud to bew one of the 3%, but since my retirement am totally disgusted that this ratio is allowed to exist. Like I said, no answers just more questions.

Mike

Mike Christian

The good news, well, there is no law against watering your lawn and irrigating your property in NY, yet.

Anyways, I was at a friends, making sure his motorcycle was ready for the guy interested who was coming to look at it, as it was for sale. He takes it for a spin up the back road near his house, and while I didnt know it, my friend told me how a guy, driving down the middle of the road, doing approx. 10mph in his ford taurus wagon. My friend goes around him, and the guy suddenly gets mad, starts yelling at screaming at my friend, on how he shouldnt be riding it (off road bike, not licensed or registered) I can see how this could be a problem, but the only traffic on this road was the guy and my buddy. So he follows my friend home, and calls the police. OK now that he's called the police and explained everything, he still wouldnt leave, so after pleading with this man, being nice as possible, still wouldnt cut my friend a break even though he was selling the bike and this wouldnt become a habit thing. Now he started yelling and screaming obceneties, until the police came, and tried ever trick in the book to get my friend in trouble. The police just said not to do it and that was the end of that. However it was a tense situation and I wanted to protect myself incase I had fallen into this situation later on in life. Thanks to all who replied.

Road rage is one of the dangers out there all the time. There are people who will over-react and may be very dangerous to others on the road, especially if their anger is directed to someone on a motorcycle, or other poorly protected vehicle. However, they usually want to be anonymous and will take off rather than talk to police, because they know they are in the wrong. That is what bothers me about this situation. The guy stuck around and waited for the police to arrive. Did he just sit in his car and wait peacably? Is there something more to this story?

Luckily, no one was injured. It could have ended in tragedy for either side. But nobody loosed the dogs or brought out the guns or started a fist fight. That is probably why no one went to jail. It would be interesting to know what the officer heard from and told the Taurus driver. Most officers are pretty good at arriving at the truth.

The original question was what do you do when someone just will not leave your property when asked to. It depends entirely on what the "trespasser" is doing. If the trespasser is just sitting there, not harming anyone, or blocking the way out, the appropriate response would be to call and then just wait for police. On the other hand, if the trespasser is threatening your life or the lives of others, AND has the apparent means to carry out his threats, AND you believe he is about to carry out the threats, you MAY be justified in using any means, including deadly force to defend yourself. This is a judgment call and what you decided to do may change your life forever. Your response must be REASONABLE, whatever a judge might later decided that means. My advice to anyone would be do not react any more than you are forced to. In most cases it is not worth it, if you are just protecting property.

There will always be jerks out there. Do what you can to avoid them and when that can not be avoided, do what you can to not get yourself in trouble or danger from a confrontation. As the old Sarge always said, "be careful out there, guys."

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But in all reality be careful what you do. If it where me I would carry a camera with me ready to snap the pic as evidence. Do not be agressive to them, even thought you want to bust them in the teeth, just keep your cool. Get your evidence and turn it in, HOPEFULLY the law will give them what they deserve. Good luck.

on the other hand, such a move would probably get you sued into the poor house!

As far as what you might do outside of calling the police and waiting for them to arrive...I would be VERY careful here, despite what someone tells you! As you must know, we have become a very litigious society. If you are not careful it may be YOU that will winds up in jail. Even threatening bodily harm can land you in the pen for a long time nowadays. I believe the general school of thought would be that the trespasser would have to actually initiate some physical action against you for you to be justified in responding with anything physical (self defense). Even then the response probably needs to be "proportionate to the action". Texas may permit thieves to be shot on sight...but NOT around here :o).

It shouldn't be this way...but unfortunately it seems to be. Find out who the actor is and report him to the police and let them handle it. But check up on your local laws and know what you have for trespass statutes to back you up.

Good luck. I know how you feel.