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Hi-Lo Gear Arrangement on 8N

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BA

03-05-2003 12:55:31




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I have recently acquired (while buying a house)what I believe is a 1948 8N Ford tractor. I believe that is the year because the Serial Number is 8138. I am trying to learn as much as I can about this tractor, and one thing has me confused. The manual for the standard transmission states it has 4 speeds forward and 1 back. But this tractor has a lever on the left side of the block that shifts the tractor from Lo range to Hi range. In other words it seems to have 8 speeds forward and 2 back. I have read a bit about a Sherman conversion, but I believe that stated it would give you 12 speeds forward. Can anyone tell me more about whether this Hi-Lo is standard equipment? Also, am I correct in stating that the model year is 1948? I am considering selling it and want to make sure I have all the specs correct before I advertise it. I hate to sell it because it seems to be in great running order and it looks good too, but I need a garden tractor worse than I need the Ford 8N. Thanks for your help.

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Nolan

03-05-2003 17:38:15




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 Re: Hi-Lo Gear Arrangement on 8N in reply to BA, 03-05-2003 12:55:31  
You most likely have a Sherman. There are other auxiliary transmissions that had a lever on the left side, but they are very rare.

The Sherman came in three flavors. Overdrive, underdrive, and combination. The overdrive and underdrive units are two speed, with the combination being a three speed.

They can be identified by the shifter lever arm. The two speed units of either overdrive or underdrive have a straight lever arm. The combination units have a dogleg shaped lever arm.

The overdrive and underdrive units had a straight forward and back shift pattern. Back was direct, forward engaged the auxiliary gears giving either the overdrive or underdrive effect.

The combination unit has the same forward and back shifting motion that is for overdrive and direct. Underdrive is engaged by going mid way through the motion to neutral, pulling the lever straight out away from the bell housing about an inch, and then shoving it forward.

It is not at all uncommon to find a combination unit that hasn't had underdrive engaged in decades because it was forgotten about by a previous owner and none of the subsequent owners knew it was there. That was the case with my Sherman equipped Ford 8N.

Do understand that the Sherman is in front of the main transmission, and affects ground speed and pto rpm identically. You don't actually gain a 12 speed gearbox.

The sherman was designed to allow the engine to run at higher rpms in underdrive mode for the correct pto rpm, thereby giving an effective 30% power increase. Overdrive mode was for transportation in road gear. It does allow the engine to operate the pto at near idle, which can save gas when very lightly loaded.

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BA

03-05-2003 19:46:23




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 Re: Re: Hi-Lo Gear Arrangement on 8N in reply to Nolan, 03-05-2003 17:38:15  
Thank you for your reply. It appears from your description that mine is an overdrive unit, and not the combination unit. It's interesting learning about such a nice machine.



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marlowe

03-05-2003 13:08:18




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 Re: Hi-Lo Gear Arrangement on 8N in reply to BA, 03-05-2003 12:55:31  
you got what they call a SHERMAN after market trans. you hit the jack pot with that 8n



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BA

03-05-2003 14:06:46




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 Re: Re: Hi-Lo Gear Arrangement on 8N in reply to marlowe, 03-05-2003 13:08:18  
Marlowe, Could you please e-mail so I can ask you a few more questions about the transmission, and the asking price? I appreciate your reply. It just has me wondering more now....Thanks....



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marlowe

03-05-2003 15:13:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Hi-Lo Gear Arrangement on 8N in reply to BA, 03-05-2003 14:06:46  
hay BA lyle gave a real good explanation on the sherman only thing i can add is mine is a three speed. the hi low leaver on the side might have a neutral between hi an low when in neutral pull leaver out away from tractor then up if it's a three speed it will stay up and out a little [you might also try down seen one that down was a gear and not up] good luck as for a email i don't use it because i get to much junk mail sorry

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BA

03-05-2003 19:51:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi-Lo Gear Arrangement on 8N in reply to marlowe, 03-05-2003 15:13:26  
Thanks for your reply. You are right. Both other replies are very good descriptions of the Sherman unit. Unless the lever is stuck and won't pull out from not being used, it appears mine is an overdrive only unit.



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Lyle (Sask)

03-05-2003 14:25:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Hi-Lo Gear Arrangement on 8N in reply to BA, 03-05-2003 14:06:46  
The sherman transmission will have a lever on the left side of the transmission. I have the step up model which has a forward position for normal driving, and when you pull it back towards you each gear goes faster. The thing to note is that the PTO also goes correspondingly faster too...
Sherman also made a step down transmission that would cause the tractor to slow down when engaged, and a combination unit which would do both, giving you three ranges of gears.

The transmission itself is worth a few hundred dollars used if in good condition.

Good working 8 N tractors seem to go for $2000 to $2500 US with a higher price being given when the tractor has a strong engine (Good Oil Pressure, easy starting, no obvious smoking etc, straight and minimal rusting on the sheetmetal, good hydraulics and brakes...

Rougher ones with need of a few obvious repairs are probably worth $1400 to $2000

A lot depends on where you are in the country, best bet may be to check picture for sale ads on this site and see if you can find an 8 N that appears to be in similar condition to yours to determine a fair price...

Not sure if you have a tiny lawn, and small garden, but wanted you to know that for larger yards (1 to 10 acres) the 8 N in combination with a 5 to 6 ft finish mower mounted on the 3 pt hitch makes for a very effective lawn mowing machine. With my tractor I can mow about 2.5 miles per hour which will run rings around my neighbour's 20 horse garden tractor, and the N is much quieter to operate than the garden tractor.

For gardens, again if you think outside the box, the N with a cultivator on the 3pt and a couple of passes with a harrow will make almost as nice a seedbed as a garden tractor and rototiller...

If you want things worked up deeper, find a 1 or 2 bottom plow...

Read some on the great 9N, 2N, 8N forum here, you may decide to reconsider selling the N...

After all it must be a heck of a piece of engineering to still be a useful and workable piece of equipment after 60 years or more... Can't say the same for the durability of garden tractors ...

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BA

03-06-2003 14:03:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi-Lo Gear Arrangement on 8N in reply to Lyle (Sask), 03-05-2003 14:25:48  
Lyle, Thank you for your informative reply. There's no denying the 8N is a well-engineered piece of equipment. I'll have to price turf tires and replace the front tires if I want to use it for a lawn mower though. My clay soil won't firm up enough until August to support lugged and grooved tires. I'll also have to price the finish mower to see what its cost would be. I have about 2 acres to mow with about 3 acres to at least keep knocked down. But a physical limitation may be the deciding factor as to whether I can keep the 8N or have to sell it or trade for a garden tractor. I realize they aren't as well built, but they may be what I can handle. It seems with the condition of my tractor and its attachments it should be worth around 4 to 5 thousand dollars, which will go a long way toward a good garden tractor. I'm confused, but I'll figure it out. Thanks again.

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