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Ben in KY

05-22-2003 08:31:19

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What is the real difference between HY-TRAN and a generic that meets or exceeds HY-TRAN OEM specs ?

I have found 3 different manufacturers of OEM HY-TRAN so far.

BP, Sunoco, and EPPCO ( United Arab Emirates )
They all have MSDS sheets on the stuff.

Just curious if there is a REAL difference or this is brand hype, because obviously the OEM stuff is not all alike. Different petroleum bases, etc...

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Pat Cleveland

10-18-2003 19:49:48

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Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Ben in KY, 05-22-2003 08:31:19

Hytran: The big key here is what specs does it meet. You have to get into the specs and the base oil and the addatives it has in it. I use to haul out of Kendall/Witco and the guys in the lab said if you had a old car that used oil you could mix anything in it as long as you changed it every 3 to 4 thousand miles.
Now I have a question. Have any of you tried Shaeffer's 315 synthetic blend which is rated as International B-6 along with many others. Their test result sound great, but I would like to hear from someone with first hand knowledge of the product.

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Ben in KY - summary

05-23-2003 08:46:27

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Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Ben in KY, 05-22-2003 08:31:19

What Have I learned from this thread ? Well lets see..

1. I found out 1 more manufacturer of HY-TRAN, that puts the total at 4. Which indicates that they will not all have the same base, same additives maybe though.

2. If you mix and match tractors and attachments, you are mixing and matching hydraulic fluid. I had not thought of this one. This could not be good as some brands may not mix too well. This is a good argument for a universal fluid.

3. Not using HY-TRAN does not void your warranty if the fluid meets HY-TRAN B 6 specs. This is in My IH Operators manual.

4. Some people are die hard HY-TRAN fans. No offense intended.

In conclusion based on relatives long experience with HY-TRAN equivalents and the feedback from this thread, There is also the fact that at least 4 different firms manufacture OEM HY-TRAN. Also it is about a 2 hour drive to my IH dealer :( So I will continue to use quality HY-TRAN equivalent fluid.

I apologise if I have misunderstood or omitted anything from this summary.

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Aces

05-22-2003 20:47:45

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Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Ben in KY, 05-22-2003 08:31:19

One thing no one said here is. An OEM manufacture can give spec's for engine, hydraulic, and transmission oil and insist that that type of oil must be used, if there is a failure and they find that the unit did not have the right oil in it they don't have to fix the problem. That having been said they can not by law demand that you use ther oil, this goes for filters as well unless they suply them I don't konw any that suply oil and filters.

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Alton

05-22-2003 17:00:34

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Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Ben in KY, 05-22-2003 08:31:19

Ask them if they will stand behind it if something messed up by using this oil instead of HyTrans. Napa in my town won't and the oil they will stand behind is $2.00 higher than Hy-trans at my dealer $29.00 5 gal. The fluids that are compatable are all in the same price range. It is not worth it to put cheap oil in a high price machinery and take a chance of major damage. Pay me now or pay me later.

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Ben in KY

05-22-2003 19:32:52

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Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Alton, 05-22-2003 17:00:34

Are you saying that if I use HY-TRAN IH will fix any hydraulic /tranny problems for me ? It is also a 2 hour dirve to my "local " IH dealer.

I don't buy the cheapest, only oil that meets or exceeds HI-TRAN B 6 specs. And I stay with one brand I don't mix them.

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Alton

05-23-2003 17:36:21

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Re: Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Ben in KY, 05-22-2003 19:32:52

No I am not saying that hy-trans will fix any problems. I am saying that you don't want to use the cheapo as it doesn't have the wear properties of the more costly oils. The cheap oils are mostly for hydraulics only and not transmissions.
if you have a problem it is to late to change and think you can fix the problem unless clean oil will fix the problem. I was teling you my experience.

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Lloyd

05-22-2003 16:57:11

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Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Ben in KY, 05-22-2003 08:31:19

My two cents worth. Several years ago I was scolded by my John Deere parts man for not using John Deere Hydralic Fluid. The same day I was at my fuel suppliers office picking up some oil and told him of my incounter. He was a shell dealer and asked me to come into the office. He showed me a copy of something like the oilman`s news and an article in it stated that Shell had just won the low bid to bottle John Deere oils. So not only was I using the same oil, it was the low bidders oil. What does that say?

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Robert in W. Mi.

05-23-2003 14:59:08

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Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Lloyd, 05-22-2003 16:57:11

Lloyd, It says to me that the two oils have the same maker, NOT that they are the same oil!! Each has it's own additive package, and i'm a believer that cheap oil has less additive in it!! Robert

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ntm

05-22-2003 22:11:32

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Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Lloyd, 05-22-2003 16:57:11

I work for the AF Reserves as a civilian. In the base motor pool, they use 15w40 motor oil in everything. They buy it in 55 gallon drums thru GSA. Sometimes it is Mobil, sometimes Shell, etc... I'm sure they do the same thing with hyd. fluids on equipment that needs that. I have only rarely seen engine failures in the vehicles (mostly diesels) and rarer still seen hyd. failures in all the equipment that uses hyd. fluid. What I'm saying is that as long as you use a major brand, and keep the equip. serviced, you should get good service.

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G Taylor

05-22-2003 09:59:47

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Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Ben in KY, 05-22-2003 08:31:19

If it meets the specs it should work. Some oils are closer to min spec than others. What did they save the $ on with the cheap oil?

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paul

05-22-2003 11:58:34

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Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to G Taylor, 05-22-2003 09:59:47

Perhaps the IHC logo costs an exterme amount to proplerly print on the container????? :)

So when I have some Ford, IHC, & Oliver tractors & I use them on the same implements switching & swapping the hyd lines, I think I'd be far ahead just using the universal stuff..... It all ends up universal anyhow....

--->Paul

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Tom

05-23-2003 06:22:12

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Re: Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to paul, 05-22-2003 11:58:34

Paul, you could use HyTran in all of them.

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Ben in KY

05-22-2003 10:03:29

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Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to G Taylor, 05-22-2003 09:59:47

Not sure where the savings were, maybe just IH profit. The more times something changes hands the more it costs.

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Tom

05-22-2003 08:55:26

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Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Ben in KY, 05-22-2003 08:31:19

Stick with Hy-Tran, MF PermaTran III, New Holland 134. If you must try to save a nickel on generic then try Pennzoil Hydra-Tranz. See Pennzoil website for complete specs.

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ntm

05-22-2003 09:39:28

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Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Tom, 05-22-2003 08:55:26

What petroleum company makes the equipment manufacturers brands? I suspect they have two or three different companies that they take bids to supply the stuff.

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Ben in KY

05-22-2003 09:50:28

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Re: Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to ntm, 05-22-2003 09:39:28

That is what I am saying. At least 3 different companies make the brand name HY-TRAN for IH/Case. Still searching there may be more...

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RickB.

05-22-2003 14:09:51

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Re: Re: Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Ben in KY, 05-22-2003 09:50:28

I am interested in verifiable proof that anyone other than Viscosity Oil Company blends and packages CaseIH HyTran fluid.

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Ben in KY

05-22-2003 19:34:39

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to RickB., 05-22-2003 14:09:51

There are MSDS sheets available online for the other companies I listed in my origional post. It is a federal offense to falsify them.

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Ben in KY

05-22-2003 08:59:37

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Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Tom, 05-22-2003 08:55:26

Tom,
Nothing personal but I have had bad experiences with Pennziol products.

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ShepFL

05-22-2003 10:34:37

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Re: Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Ben in KY, 05-22-2003 08:59:37

me too. I won't use it in any of my rigs. Experience from a long time ago.

Others I know swear by it but not for me.

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paul

05-22-2003 12:03:05

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Re: Re: Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to ShepFL, 05-22-2003 10:34:37

Yea, Penzoil uses diff chemistry in their motor oil, you either use it, or you use other stuff, but it does not mix well. Heard of a lot of problems. I suppose their hyd oil would be compatable, but seems odd that it would be recommended for all when their motor oil is very different. ;)

As I said in the other message, what if you have 3 different kinds of tractors & swap implements - you will _not_ be keeping your fluids seperate anyhow, might be better with a good universal from the start.

--->Paul

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Tom

05-23-2003 06:23:49

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to paul, 05-22-2003 12:03:05

Paul, you could use HyTran in all of them. Just because the oil mixes a little is not a sign to take a chance on cheap oil. Put HyTran in all your tractors.

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Ben in KY

05-23-2003 08:11:53

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: HY-TRAN vs Generic in reply to Tom, 05-23-2003 06:23:49

I would think the green folks would have something to say about using HY-TRAN in their tractors :)

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