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Bob Spooner

09-23-2003 04:28:41




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I imagine this question has been asked a million times here, but here goes again.

I'm looking for a tractor. In my dream world, I truck on down to the local Deere or Ford dealer and buy a nice compact 4wd with bucket and brushhog and grader blade off of the lot. But, the budget does not allow for that.

So I'm thinking something older, but still useful for what I want it for.

I want it to maintain a 1000' dirt and gravel driveway, including removing snow. I want a brush hog to be able to earn some money up the street mowing the game club property. I want to drive around on my 14 acres of woods and carry rocks to build rock walls...and harvest firewood.

I was dead set on a loader for a while, but now I'm not too sure. I think that I could do all of my driveway maintaining and rock moving with a rear dirt scoop...but one with a hyd upper link. I was dead set on 4wd, but now I'm not too sure. Using the dirt scoop would allieviate the need for 4wd (though my property is hilly and the 4wd would be a big bonus). I do want a live pto.

I like the Ford 800's. In fact I like all of the older Fords, I'm just not too sure that the N's have enough oomph to pull that brush hog and I don't think that the N's have a live pto (but I'm a newbie...so what do I know?). I'm not adverse to any brand: JD, Case, MF, etc. Gas is fine with me...this is a homeowners tractor, not a farmowners.

Ideally, I would be able to find this tractor in southern New England.

Thanks for any input.

Bob

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Mike A.

09-25-2003 11:16:12




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 Re: Newbie looking for tractor in reply to Bob Spooner, 09-23-2003 04:28:41  
Thanks for the help, I'm in the same boat and appreciate all the info.



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Bob-Wyo

09-24-2003 10:54:05




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 Re: Newbie looking for tractor in reply to Bob Spooner, 09-23-2003 04:28:41  
You have been given some really good choices, another one if you can find one is my favorite, and the only (red tractor I own, all the rest are green) is a IH 350U, has wide front, power steering 2 point fast hitch or reg 3 point, has about 38 HP,TA, extra hyd etc, and handles a 5' bush hog very well.
Just another choice to think about.
bob



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Indydirtfarmer

09-24-2003 05:28:51




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 Re: Newbie looking for tractor in reply to Bob Spooner, 09-23-2003 04:28:41  
I have bought and sold tractors since I was in highschool. (30 years). I have people show up looking for "specific" tractors. They have a model that they want, and won't look at anything else. They usually end up with what they want, but they pay WAY TOO MUCH. Set a list of "options" that you must have. i.e. power steering, live power, 3pt. hitch, gas or diesel, ect. Then start looking at what is available, with-in your price range. There has been a number of good tractors, from a number of manufacturers. They all have their success's and failures. With used tractors, even the "good" models will have a few that are trashed. With all of that said, I would look at the following models; Massey Ferguson 135 (or 35), 150 (or 50) 235,240,250 Ford 3000, 4000, and later models within the same series. IH 424, 444 Deere 2040, 2240 But, don't stop with these. I just mentioned a few that are good sellers. They hold their resale value, and will serve you well. For what you have in mind, MY personal favorite would be the Massey Ferguson 135. Quite simply, the best small tractor ever built. (That's from a BIGTIME John Deere fan) Just keep your options open, and see what's out there. You can always come back here, with your short list of choises, and we'll be glad to tell you what we think of a particular model. Good luck, and welcome to the world of tractor nuts! John

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Jim.UT

09-23-2003 12:49:18




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 Re: Newbie looking for tractor in reply to Bob Spooner, 09-23-2003 04:28:41  
I ran across a 70-something Ford 4000 with FEL, diff lock, live pto for $5850. Tried to talk my sister into buying it since she's always telling me how much she needs a good affordable loader tractor. But she whined about not having any money, etc.

The older Ford 800 series (860 or 861 to get live pto) can be had for $2500-$4000 depending. This is a pic of a 960 with live pto and a wide front that I looked at on Saturday. Owner is asking $2500. All gears work and so does the clutch. However, it is nowhere near southern New England!
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Ben in KY

09-23-2003 09:38:06




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 Re: Newbie looking for tractor in reply to Bob Spooner, 09-23-2003 04:28:41  
If you stumble accross one don't count out the IH 444. A good little (3900 lb) 38 HP PTO utility tractor, with live PTO, diff lock, remotes ( usually ) 8 speed tranny, etc.



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paul

09-23-2003 09:31:11




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 Re: Newbie looking for tractor in reply to Bob Spooner, 09-23-2003 04:28:41  
If you are looking at Ford '100' series tractors and want a live pto, be sure it is a x6x series tractor to have live pto. Like a 860, or 661, or.... If someone trys to sell you an 800 tractor - ask questions. There was no actual 800 built. That middle digit tells you the options it has. The serial number is on the left side of the tractor, below the air cleaner. It will tell you the model # also - hand stamped, can be quite light or covered in paint.

You are correct, the N's did not have live pto, some even did not have live hyd which means you can't operate the 3-pt & pto independently....

You'll like a loader for rock work.... Your call tho. I would not think 4wd is important if you get a good old cast iron tractor & weight it properly.

--->Paul

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EVIELBOWEVIEL

09-23-2003 07:45:00




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 Re: Newbie looking for tractor in reply to Bob Spooner, 09-23-2003 04:28:41  
Oliver 550 $3000-4500
MF 35, 135, 50, 150, 65, 165 $3500-7000
Ford 4000, 3000 newer ones with PS and 3 cylinder engines $4000-7000
International/Farmall SA, 100,130,140 will do everything you have listed for $2000 (SA older) to $4000 (140 newer) just smaller tractors and take longer, one point fast hitch has its own advantages
I am certain Case and MM also have small older tractors that will work for you, J.D. seem to go for too much to collectors
good luck and enjoy whatever you get

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Steve Mahler

09-23-2003 07:12:09




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 Re: Newbie looking for tractor in reply to Bob Spooner, 09-23-2003 04:28:41  
Dont know what your budget is, because quite simply the more you have, the better the tractor you will get!

I am a ford owner, and have always liked all old fords. But if the budget allows, try to get in to the late 50s early 60s (600, 800, 2000, 3000) to get live PTO and hydraulics. Someday when my budget allows I want a 3000 gas - nice big tractor with live everything, 8spd manual, etc. But here in NY a nice one creeps toward $5,000. So it will wait a few years.

Beyond fords, the Massey 135 is an excellent choice, as are the Oliver 500 series - though I know little about them. If you do end up wanting a loader, really make sure you get power steering. There is nothing that you cant get done with an old tractor - it might not be as easy to handle as a little jap compact, but it will be more stable and powerful. Also, please do a self-assessment on your mechanical skills. All old tractors require some wrench time, just be sure to know what you are getting into. I buy tractors that are right on the borderline of 'ready to go' and 'working project' - so I expect some work in the shop. But that might frustrate some people.

Good luck and have fun.

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Paul Spooner

09-23-2003 05:18:43




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 Re: Newbie looking for tractor in reply to Bob Spooner, 09-23-2003 04:28:41  
I have a MF-135 which I use for bush-hoging & light jobs around the farm. I think it is a real good small tractor for the money.



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Roy in UK

09-23-2003 14:08:34




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 Re: Re: Newbie looking for tractor in reply to Paul Spooner, 09-23-2003 05:18:43  
I second that (MF 135) I know of die hard JD Ford and IH fans who find it hard to knock the MF 135. They still hold their value well here in UK



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Jerry A.

09-23-2003 05:16:07




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 Re: Newbie looking for tractor in reply to Bob Spooner, 09-23-2003 04:28:41  
A loader is a great thing...you wouldn't believe how much you use one, until you have one. Strongly consider a loader for whatever you buy.

If you go with a newer compact tractor, consider 4wd. The smaller the tractor, the more it becomes important, especially with grading/landscaping work.

I think a box scraper is excellent for maintaining my driveway. More consistent than the rear blade which will dig in all the time and make things uneven. It will fill low spots quite well and create a smoother surface. You'll have to use it every few months to keep things looking good.

Good luck.

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