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Walter Baker

09-25-2003 05:41:38

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I have priced a JD 5205 (53 HP)with loader, pallet forks, 4-wh drive, power steering, etc. Before buying, I think it would be a good idea to compare with another brand. How does the Kubota, similar size and equipped, stack up? Thanks.
Walt

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Walt

09-29-2003 16:12:16

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Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Walter Baker, 09-25-2003 05:41:38

Whew! Quite a discussion! Thanks to everyone for their input. What I have decided is--No new tractor for now. My old tractor will do the the job, but it doesn't have a loader, and is too small to add a loader that will lift what I would like it to. Also, the tractor doesn't have power steering. However, I belive I can find a tractor with loader in good shape for lots less than I thinking of paying for a new one. Again, thanks for your input.
Walt

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John K

09-26-2003 07:12:42

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Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Walter Baker, 09-25-2003 05:41:38

I bought in July a New Holland TN75S, made in Italy, same place as Case IH by Fiat. Love the tractor and the supper steer is amazing.

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Indydirtfarmer

09-26-2003 05:43:20

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Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Walter Baker, 09-25-2003 05:41:38

We have a Kubota where I work. It is used to mow Rough's at a golf course. Seems to be a decent tractor. I'm not too sure what model. It's been around for a couple years. It gets abused. The mechanic doesn't complain too much, so it must be OK. I have 4 John Deere's that we farm with. Wouldn't trade them for a hundred Kubota's. Maybe some of Deere's stuff is made "out of country", but at least it's an American company. I have a "comfort level" with the Deere products. They are a full line manufacturer, as opposed to Kubota being more of a "short line". That keeps me standing at one parts counter, instead of multiple dealers. All that aside, I can't see any GOOD reason against you buying a Kubota. I don't keep up on the prices, but I would bet that the Kubota is less. My best arguement would be history. John Deere has outlasted all the competition. Some of the names are still the same, but everyone else has sold out, some several times. I just like Deere's PROVEN track record. Nothing Runs Like A Deere! Hope that this helps. (Might have just confused the situation more though) John

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Robert in W. Mi

09-26-2003 18:21:39

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Re: Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 09-26-2003 05:43:20

john deere guys keep repeating the BS that deere is the "only" company that hasn't sold out, and BS it is!!! AGCO is an "American company", and has "never" sold out!! In fact in the last 10 years they made money more years than deere did! And, they did it selling "farm tractors" and "farm equipment" instead of yuppie lawn mowers and construction equipment like deere has!!

Robert

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Indydirtfarmer

09-27-2003 03:32:20

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Re: Re: Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 09-26-2003 18:21:39

AGCO is a collection of "sell-outs" The "Agco" name has only recently appeared on the sign. All they did was to buy "names" that are linked to tractors of the past. Just becouse the managment at Deere was insightful enough to expand their product line to meet the needs of a changing world, they are no less of a producer of the best quality farm equipment on the planet. Agco sells some good stuff. They ARE NOT the same Allis-Chalmers, the same Massey Ferguson, or any of the same companies that made THOSE names famous. I'll keep my Deere equipment, just the same, thank you. JMHO,John

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Robert in W. Mi

09-27-2003 13:09:54

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 09-27-2003 03:32:20

Non the less, they (AGCO) has NOT been bought or sold!! Are you trying to say here, that deere doesn't buy tech??? Heck, they started out by buying there first tractor!!!! Do you think deere actually makes everything they sell????? ???

Have you read what deere is makeing most of there $$ on lately??? It's NOT tractors!!!

BTW, i have a few deere's too, but they sure don't build the best tractor in most sizes!!

Robert

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Indydirtfarmer

09-29-2003 06:26:08

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 09-27-2003 13:09:54

A might touchy, aren't we? Deere buys tech. They design tech. Whatever it takes to stay out front. No one says they are the best at EVERYTHING. That would be a crazy statement. They are, however, the leader, hands down, in the AG equipment market. Deere has survived becouse of good management, solid business decisions, and "staying one step ahead of the game". When most of us buy a tractor, a combine, or any other piece of equipment, we buy the dealer support, the companies parts support, and the value (re-sale, and dependability) as much as we do the actual "physical" item. Deere has proven to be the best, over the long haul. Agco, Fiat, and all the other "assemblies" of companies are still in the hunt, but based on past performances, who can say what will happen to any of their product lines. For example, Massey Ferguson. There is still a MF tractor. But it's in name only. There is very little to do with the "old" company. With the change, most of the older dealers closed their doors. So much for dealer support. Granted, a good many Deere dealers went away, starting with the 1980's, but there is still a good solid network of dealers in just about every area. I have three Deere dealers within an hour of home. There is one Agco dealer. And they aren't much help. Case/IH, New Holland, and all the rest are just about gone from our area. Maybe we are the exception, rather than the rule. But I hear otherwise from folks in other parts of the country. Before anyone gets the idea that I'm brainwashed, and only can see green, Let me say that I'm not totally sold on everything that Deere does. Not all their products ARE the #1 products in a given catagory. What I am saying is Deere, on the average, is a much better bet to be around to see my tractor through to the end of it's usefull life. I own a couple "Agco" products. (From the days before it was AGCO) I still have to live with the changes that were made within their corperate structure. It hasn't been a pleasant experience for me. Aside from the cost, (And that's a part of all brands) my dealings with Deere have been way ahead of the curve. All I can do,is to judge things from my perspective. Maybe others have different idea's. There must be a reason why Deere is still the leader in market share.

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Robert in W. Mi

09-29-2003 16:54:32

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 09-29-2003 06:26:08

Hi Indy,

Deere is leader in market share??? NOT world wide they aren't. In fact, they aren't even second or even third!!! "If" you add up all of the deere tractor sales, you'll find out that they sell more imported tractors than they sell American made ones!!! Kinda like the "new" deere dozers that deere rebadges and sells as there own!!

We was with out a deere dealer for some time, now there's a new super store, with not so super prices!!! On the other hand, AGCO had two dealers here at that same time, and now we even have a third one! Hope you don't judge everything in the world by what's on "your" door step.

Go do some reading on deere finaces, they are "finally" makeing some $$ again, but not on their farm equipment, it's on there goof courses, and related marketing!!!

AGCO is makeing money too, but they are makeing it on there tractors and farm equipment.

I'm sure NOT trying to sell anyone on AGCO, i just don't care for all the deeroids repeating over and over verses from the deere mothership that aren't the truth.

BTW, i believe Massey and Mahindra are still going back and forth for the "number one" spot in tractor sales!!

And, that's all i have to say on this subject. :>)

Robert

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KURT (mi)

09-27-2003 04:38:11

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 09-27-2003 03:32:20

Amen, you forgot to mention Simplicity, and I think White is owned by them too.

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Walt

09-26-2003 05:14:50

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Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Walter Baker, 09-25-2003 05:41:38

Hey Guys,
Most stuff is not made in America anymore, and everything else being about equal, I would definitely choose the USA product. However, what I want is to determine from my posting: What's the best product for the money, the John Deere or the M-Series Kubota?? Anybody have experience with both??
Walt

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KURT (mi)

09-25-2003 17:54:28

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Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Walter Baker, 09-25-2003 05:41:38

I hate to sound like a buy american guy, but that is just me. The Deere or IHcase, new holland are made in the USA. If the price is the same as the Kubota then give the USA companies a serious look. I bought a Polaris 4 wheeler three months ago, All USA, also bought a 10yd pull behind cart, All USA, bought a Briggs engine last year, mostly USA.

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Robert in W. Mi

09-25-2003 18:21:36

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Re: Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to KURT (mi), 09-25-2003 17:54:28

Since when are all JD's, CIH, or NH's made in the U.S.A.???? There's only "one" tractor under 100hp that i can think of that's made in the U.S.A., and it's not any of the ones you mentioned!!!

Not all the Polaris products are made in the U.S. either!

BTW, AGCO and JD are the only tractor companys that are U.S. companys. (of the big boys) Robert

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Bob Semrau

09-25-2003 19:16:48

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Re: Re: Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 09-25-2003 18:21:36

Are you talking about the Saukville - a modern AC G replacement built in Wisconsin ?

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Fred

09-25-2003 18:12:09

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Re: Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to KURT (mi), 09-25-2003 17:54:28

I hate to burst your bubble, but very damn few JD, CaseIH or NH tractors that would compete with Kubota are any more "American" than the orange tractors. Most stuff these days that is "American" is merely assembled here. Lazy, overpaid, low quality workmanship americans have forced most of our business out of this country.

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KURT (mi)

09-26-2003 07:11:37

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Re: Re: Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Fred, 09-25-2003 18:12:09

I didnt want to make a debate about this subject, but most caseIH, new hollands and Deeres are assembled here, with jap engines on the small utilitys. One reason that foreign products are cheaper is the high value of the US dollar.

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Assembled yes, built NO

09-26-2003 18:14:57

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to KURT (mi), 09-26-2003 07:11:37

and it's more than just the engines that are foreign made. The deere i looked at had a Japanease designed, Indian made tranny, Mexican engine ect., ect., ect... The "others" aren't any better, and i don't call that "built" in the U.S.A..

What under 100hp "non" compact tractors are even "assembled" here??? "I think" all the 60,70,80,hp ect.. tractors are all imports these days no matter what color they are.

Yes, the Saulkville is the only american built "real" farm tractor under 100hp that i can think of?

Robert

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Fred

09-26-2003 17:45:42

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to KURT (mi), 09-26-2003 07:11:37

High value of the U.S. Dollar???? Against the Yen??? What the F&^K are you smoking??

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KURT (mi)

09-27-2003 04:36:15

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Fred, 09-26-2003 17:45:42

You obviously dont understand currencys and economics buddy. Tell you what you go take economics 101 and then come back and we will talk.

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Frank

09-25-2003 17:03:44

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Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Walter Baker, 09-25-2003 05:41:38

In response to your question, I think the Kubota M5700 is similar to these specifications. It has 52 pto HP and comes w. power steering, is available in 4 wd...
I bought one (from a dealer who also sells Deere)and have been very satisfied with it.

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Robert in W. Mi

09-25-2003 16:46:49

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Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Walter Baker, 09-25-2003 05:41:38

Like Woodbeef said, be sure and check out the CIH JX, it's an amazing amount of tractor for the money!! All of the ones i've looked at looked very well made too, and it will be a heavier duty tractor than the deere model you mentioned. Robert

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Woodbeef

09-25-2003 15:58:35

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Re: Kubota vs John Deere in reply to Walter Baker, 09-25-2003 05:41:38

I'd also take a good look at the Valtra M100/A series,Mahindra 6000/6500,CIH JX series,NH TN series,and the Zetor 4341,.

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