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CT

09-26-2003 22:51:33




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Tractor drivers riding kids on tractors

We had a serous accident in a nearby community a few years ago with a grandfather was riding his 5 year old grandson his tractor. They stopped to let the kid off the tractor, and as he was getting off the tractor, he tripped over his granddads left foot that was on the clutch pedal. Tractor was in gear with motor reved, and blades spinning. Very tragic loss. The child was killed when bushhog ran over him. Granddad had to sell the farm. He could not live there anymore.

We do want our kids to have fun and great memories on the farm. However we need to always ask ourselves what is the worst thing that could happen if I allow a kid to ride on the tractor or what ever activity he is doing with us.

Do any of you feel the same as I do? Any thought’s on getting the word out?

Thanks
CT

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Dave 2n

09-29-2003 13:52:02




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
NEVER when bush hogging!!! I tell everyone not to even THINK about coming near me when I'm hogging or even have the hog on the tractor..

That said, I think all of us have ridden on tractors with our parents or grandparents at some time or another. My riding was carefully supervised and usually when going to and from the field only, not when someone was mowing, baling, chopping corn etc. I did ride a lot when gramps was plowing.

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Trevor

09-29-2003 07:11:37




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
Well a lot of you guy would have shot my father and his family! I have drove tractors since the age of 4! Now don't get me wrong I was VERY supervised while younge until I proved that I could handle things by my self and then I was given jobs of less risk. Not to mention the countless hours I have spent riding on tractors.

I started off "pickin rocks". This was using a small industrial MF with a loader. My father or uncle or cousin would get it in low gear and a small amount of throttle and then get me on the seat and let me go. There would be 2 men (my father one of them) walking along picking up rocks with dung forks and putting them into the bucket. The tractor would be going so slow that they would have to wait for me to catch up. But it was great learning on how to drive a tractor.

Now with all that said, I was never allowed to even be near the tractor when the brush hog was being used.

As many of the guys have said below, you have to choose when it is approriate for a child to be around tractors. But I think that it is VERY important that children are around equipment at a younge age. When they are around it and shown the dangers and how to be safe around it they are much less likely to have an accident.

I totally disagree with people who put and age limit on being around equipment. I have seen some people do this and say "you can't help on the farm til you are 15." Then the kid turns 15 and they have to learn everything in a matter of months and are given tasks that they don't understand. This is how kids get hurt.

I was always with my dad, ecept when the task was to dangerous. And even then dad would show me the dangers and discuss with me the proper way to use this equipment. He would then give me a safe and simple task to do while he did the dangerous one and then include me in his chore once the dangerouse part was complete. This meant that I felt apart of what was going on and learnt valuable safety lessons without being put in harms way.

Farm safety is a big topic but I think it has to start younge and contiue for a life time.

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Indydirtfarmer

09-29-2003 03:47:20




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
One thing that makes a big difference is the TEACHER. My father would let us ride on tractors with him SOMETIMES. Definitly NOT when bush hogging. Accidents can happen anytime. they can be compounded by the circumstances. Pick your spots. Don't assume that becouse you've done something for years, with no disasters, that it won't happen to you. I grew up on machinery. That's how the next generation of SAFE operators get their "training". Just make sure that the youngsters learn the respect for what can happen, without it being "first hand experience".

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markct

09-29-2003 09:26:18




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 Re: Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 09-29-2003 03:47:20  
thats very well put, no one ever rides the tractor when brushoging, young or old there is no one on the tractor when brushogging, or when using an implement that could be unpredictable, like plow, especialy cause the trips were welded up on a few of our old plows. when brushoggin there should be no one anywheres near you, on the tractor or off the tractor. the one time i rode the tractor with a hay rake on was when i was teaching my girlfriend to rake hay, she had driven the tractor many time before but needed a bit of instruction on raking. we went slow and stayed on level parts of the field and i held on carefully, i didnt do that any longer than i felt was neccesary since if i fell of the rake would have done a job on me, but it was neccesary i feel for a brief time.

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kyhayman

09-28-2003 15:04:05




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
So many posts with so many good pints. This is something I struggle with daily. I would not be the man I am if I hadn't grown up on my dad's lap mowing hay with a 4000 Ford (probably be some kind of citified lawyer or something). Yet I mostly tell my son no when he wants to ride. Rule of thumb I have is he can sit in my lap and we will put around the yard, he can ride in the cab when I am feeding roll bales or silage (all on the farm road) otherwise sorry, I have seem too many fenders break off. When I am teaching someone to drive I try to spend a good deal of time teaching them to stop the engine then I'll stand on the drawbar while they drive (no impliment).

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CT

09-28-2003 15:31:54




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 Re: Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to kyhayman, 09-28-2003 15:04:05  
kyhayman

I liked the way you teach folks to drive a tractor.

I can remember being a young boy when my dad gave me my first driving lesson on a Ford 8 N
He showed me all of the controls. Had me go through the stop and start motions with the motor off. It was pretend driving.

Then he had me start it up. And at slow idle I would put it first gear and drive as he walked beside the tractor. He would hold his hand up and I had to stop. Which meant pushing the clutch in and putting my foot on the brakes. We did this about 50 times until it was an automatic procedure. Then he let me drive around the pasture in 2 gear. His watchful eye was still on me, but just a greater distance.

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RAB

09-28-2003 13:42:54




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
'Risk' or 'teach' your children at your own place well away from the public gaze, if you must. But the people who risk spoiling our hobby, by allowing their children to basically negate show insurances, are the ones who really rile me. They are inconsiderate to everyone by their actions. There may not be an accident at the time but if there were, or on another occasion, the press would very quickly remember seeing children at 'x, y or z' show doing things which should not be allowed. Just remember how the steamer accident (when one exploded at Medina) changed the insurance risk at all subsequent shows.
Our responsibility is to follow the requirements of the show insurance and make sure that if/when an incident occurs, the insurers don't tell the organisers that they don't have cover because they did not meet the insurer's conditions.

Personally I think that no-one should ride on a tractor other than the driver when it is in use. Death or serious injury is always the worst which could happen and does - too often.
Btw, I grew up driving tractors as a kid. Started by tripping plough in and out on a fordson standard, at age about 7, while my brother (2 years older) aimed and steered it. I was also responsible for putting the governor rod back on when it came off (quite often), next to the fan, with the engine running flat out! Moved on to Oliver 90 before I could properly control clutch and brake in all situations and can remember tractor running down-hill through a bumpy gateway and giving me a big fright (at about age 9?). I learned to select a low gear before going downhill after that! But that was 1950's and things have changed since then.

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paul

09-28-2003 18:15:48




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 Re: Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to RAB, 09-28-2003 13:42:54  
Now, the question is - for better or worse? And which way should we try to change it again?

:)

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Gary in TX

09-28-2003 07:12:36




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
I first off want to express my condolences to all who may have lost loved ones in any kind of accident involving a motor vehicle of any kind.
If you stop and think about it, nothing is truly safe, tractor, car, 4 wheeler, etc. there will be kids of all ages riding on tractors no matter what. Its just a part of life and in some cases, Lord willing few and far between, death.
Cab tractors make the prospect much more safe however and if those allowing the ride would just do the simple task of idling down and putting in park or neutral before anyone ever moves, that should be done even with just the driver on board anyhow. We all get safty careless at times, its just human nature. Too all my tractor driving friends out there, regardless of what color you drive, be safe and if you do have a rider be double safe.
God Bless and have a super day!
Gary

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paul

09-28-2003 10:05:56




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 Re: Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to Gary in TX, 09-28-2003 07:12:36  
Well said, Gary, pretty much what I was thinking.

I grew up on a working farm, and still run it. I stood on the axle of the 300, 88, H, and sat on the fender of the 960 for many many hours every year, from the age of 7.

Just how it is. Everyone needs to be thinking all the time.

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Dieselrider

09-28-2003 06:03:24




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
Alot more kids are killed or hurt every year on highways by drunk drivers than on farm equipment. I'm not saying that you shouln't take every precaution you can think of but, no matter what you do you cannot protect them from everything. It is only by the Grace of God that any of us get to live a full life. You can't watch them every second of their lives and you don't know weather you yourself, your kids, your wife or anyone else will be here tomorrow or not. We can loose our kids while they're on the way home from a baseball game but does that mean we don't let them go? All I'm trying to say is life is short anyway and you don't have nearly as much control as you might think you do. Let them enjoy the tractor ride and try to be safe about it. It could be their last chance to ride anyway.

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REDMAN

09-29-2003 00:14:27




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 Re: Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to Dieselrider, 09-28-2003 06:03:24  
AMEN!my youngest son was born in 2000 with a medical condition i can't even spell,but it basicaly was a bleeding blood vessel in his head.he pulled through good but it shows that you have no control on how long they will be here so if they want a tractor ride or combine ride let them,just be as safe as you can when doing it.



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Ford Man

09-27-2003 21:34:23




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
I can remember riding in my Grandfather's lap and steering his 8N when I was 4-5 years old . This was in the late 60's so we did not use car seats either . Mom told me that we actually had a steering wheel with a suction cup so they could stick it on the car's dash and we could stand up and pretend to drive ! Just because we survived does not mean it was safe . My Mom's old boss ran over his 4 year old Grandson several years ago and killed him . I know the man and I can tell you he will never get over it . As far as that goes , my Dad fell off a tractor he was driving when he was young and was run over . He was lucky it was soft ground and he got away with just some bad bruising .

My Dad grew up on a farm and he shown me how to operate a tractor safely . He insisted that I buy an overrunning clutch before I ever even got a bushhog .

My son is 7 and I do not let him ride on the tractor with me or anyone else . It just takes a split second for something to happen . I don't care how careful or experienced you think you are .

When he is old enough I will teach him safe operation of a tractor . Until that time , I will teach him to respect machinery .

This will probably tick off some of you guys but is giving a kid a ride worth the chance of a lifetime of grief from cutting short a precious life ?

Ford Man

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CT

09-27-2003 20:52:17




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
I am glad to see the various viewpoints regarding this issue. Hope we get some more. Thanks for responding.

CT



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SLB

10-01-2003 12:18:12




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 Re: Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-27-2003 20:52:17  
I just spent the past 10 or 15 minutes reading the responses to this thread. My two cents worth -

1. Farming is one of the most dangerous occupations there is. Everyday farmers are around moving shafts, pulleys, sprockets, etc not to mention animals that can accidentally maim or kill.

2. Many farmers are now part of the generation that is lax in discipline for children. Rather than swat a kid good on the rear, they put them in time out. The kids fuss about not being able to ride with dad and so dad gives in.

3. Operating farm equipment is like operating any piece of equipment, practice makes perfect. I don't know how many times I would try to back up a 4-wheel wagon before I got it down half way acceptable to my dad.

4. Last but not least - safety is just plain old common sense. Use it.

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REDMAN

09-27-2003 20:14:45




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
i grew up riding on tractors,lived through it just fine.started driving alone when i was 10,and i still drive!i can not let my kids drive a tractor over a certain hp because of laws until they are 15 years old.they can drive a farmall H with no safty equipment,but they cannot drive a case/ih MX200 with all the safty features(they stop if you get out of the seat while in gear)it don't make sence but it is the law.as far as banning kids from equipment i don't agree,in order to learn you must be around them.their is no safe place 100% of the time so they could just as well have a little fun while they can,you just never know when your numbewr is up.

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Mike M

09-27-2003 18:09:08




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
I see this situation as sort of a catch 22 I think is the phrase. How are our kids to learn how to drive tractors without direct supervision ? We don't let them drive cars without an adult
seated next to them but then cars have two seats. I don't think I've seen a tractor with two seats yet unless someone bolts on an extra thierselfs. I grew up riding around on tractors hanging on everywhere had a close call once flew out of a cab
but landed up against the loader frame. I have two kids and have let them ride with me and drive the tractor but mostly just joy riding not when working. I am trying to let them operate the small riding mower by thierselfs it has all the modern saftey features.This puts me in danger at first trying to get them going.But I think they are safer on the mower by themselfs. This is a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.

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JR

09-27-2003 20:21:38




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 Re: Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to Mike M, 09-27-2003 18:09:08  
I GREW UP ON A TRACTOR RIDEING ON MY POP'S LAP . WAS DRIVING A JD -H WHEN I WAS 7 DISKING GROUND AND STARTING PLOWING WITH SAME TRACTOR WITH TRAYLOR PLOWS WHEN I WAS 10 YEARS OLD. WENT THU SOME FENCES TRYING TO TURN AND TRIP THEM PLOWS. I RAISED 2 BOYS THAT I TOOK WITH ME AND WHEN THEY WOULD GO TO SLEEP IN MY LAP LAID THEM ON THE GROUND ON MY COAT WITH A OLD BORDER COLLIE DOG.WE ALL GOT TRACTORS AND SHOW THEM AND I HAVE GRANDKIDS THAT SHOW THE LITTLE GARDEN TRACTORS. I LET LITTLE ONES SIT IN MY LAP AND GO REAL SLOW WITH THEM .YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL ANY WHERE YOU GO NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE AT ON THE ROAD OR IN A TRUCK OR CAR.SHOW THAT LITTLE ONE HOW TO OPERATE THAT TRACTOR AND THEN THERE IS LESS CHANCE FOR AN ACCIDENT.YOU CAIN'T JUST PUT THEM ON AND LET THEM GO BE A TEACHER. I WAS AT A SHOW 3 WEEKS AGO AND A MAN WANTED TO LET HIS LITTLE BOY SIT ON MY TRACTOR .I SAID GO AHEAD I STARTED IT UP AND LOOKING AT HIS EYES SAID IT ALL.DON'T JUST TELL YOUR KIDS OR GRANDKIDS SHOW THEM AND BE WITH THEM.I WAS ALSO AT A SHOW AND THE MAN TRYING TO LOAD HIS TRACTOR KNEW LESS ABOUT IT THAN A LOT OF YOUNGER PEOPLE. HE GOT IT ALMOST CROSS WAYS ON THE TRAILOR.

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markct

09-27-2003 18:46:20




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 Re: Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to Mike M, 09-27-2003 18:09:08  
well first off, there are some tractors made with two seats, holder tractors, some newer john deers too i think. but none the less i agree with ya about kids need to ride on a tractor to learn. on the fender of my fathers NAA ford was were a good portion of my tractor knowledge came from, then once i had gathered enough knowledge from that it was my dad who rode on the fender to supurvise and give advice. of course none of this was ever on rough terain, or while brushoging or any other dangerous activities. even as adults there are times when two people must ride on a tractor to get to a field where you left a tractor, or when 2 workers are needed somewhere

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Oklatractorrebuilder

09-27-2003 17:12:38




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
I don't see any problem with ANY Age child riding on a tractor with a qualified adult. My grandson has rode with me on all seventeen of our tractors since he was 16 days old. The secret is to give them a safe place to set. We are in the process of mounting car seats on our 3 parade tractors to let them ride in all the parades with us. The difference is no child belongs around WORKING tractors, at least till they are about age 6 or older when they can be taught to operate them by them selves. The biggest problem is that kids today and a lot of adults are city types who DO NOT belong in the country or near any type machinery.

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steve

09-28-2003 06:09:04




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 Re: Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to Oklatractorrebuilder, 09-27-2003 17:12:38  
Amen brother our 12 yearold twins have been operating ag eqipment since they were verrrrry small.I have somtimes let them get into some stuationsand then stopped them just for the learning ex.I am not turning my children out at 16 and not having them know responsibilty and and how to work.To those who disagree what about the 17 year old in our community who ran over 6 peaple with his car and destroyed seven families lives.Just my opinion Steve

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RJ-AZ

09-27-2003 09:44:29




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
Had a guy by the 2 1/2 acres next to me and he bought a small tractor and a loader. One day I saw him riding his grandkids around in the loaders bucket. They would squeel as he would raise them in the air WHILE TRAVELING. I blew my cork and several other gaskets and gave him an A** chewing on the fence line. I never had to worry about him borrowing tools again. He later OD'd on Organic gardening and MOther Earth News and starved out.

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Indydirtfarmer

09-27-2003 04:06:11




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
At a recent farm toy show, (I collect them) an old friend was telling me about an "incident" near his home in Iowa, where a grandfther was watching his grandson, while clearing some ground with a 'dozer. The grandson became "missing". A search was started. The fire dept. was called out. Everyone was frantic. Hours went by, and no sign of the grandson. How far could a 6 year old get? About the time darkness was upon them, someone noticed a strange color in the brushpile that grandpa had made with the 'dozer. It was the boy. He was dead. The poor 75 year old man will live the rest of his life, tortured by what happened. Kids don't even need to be on the tractor for accidents to happen. I grew up around farm equipment. I feel very "at home" with a tractor. Not everyone has that same luxury. How many "life-long farmers" do you know that get injured or even killed by farm accidents? Way too many! If it can happen to experienced adults, why would a small child be safe? I have 4 grandkids of my own. One of them hangs after me like my shadow. I adore her. (and the other three also) That means I have to make some "unpopular" decisions at times. I wouldn't hurt her for the world, so I have to make her stay away from me, when I'm doing something "potentially dangerous". Life is SO valuable. A youngster has so much life in front of them. Why would anyone risk that, so they can have just a few minutes of "fun"? We are forced to do things that are dangerous enough, without doing them intentionally. God Bless, and take care of the little ones. Thanks, John

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Steve450

09-27-2003 17:37:34




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 Re: Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 09-27-2003 04:06:11  
"How many "life-long farmers" do you know that get injured or even killed by farm accidents?"

The guy I bought my 323 picker from collected the money with one hand and one stub. Life long farmer.



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Deas Plant.

09-27-2003 00:07:41




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 Re: Tractor drivers w/ kids on tractors in reply to CT, 09-26-2003 22:51:33  
Hi, CT. I love giving kids rides on machines as much as anybody 'cos I remember always wanting to ride on machines when I was a kid and I really enjoy seeing the light in their faces when you make their day for a week or more. I will SOMETIMES do it too, when I have an enclosed cabin with reliable doors.

However, there is still a pretty basic rule in operation here. If it has one seating place for one backside, it carries ONE person.

O.K., so most of us have been guilty at one time or another of either allowing another person to ride on a machine with us without a seat or riding on some-one else's machine without a seat. The fact that we may have been guilty of doing it DOES NOT make it any less dangerous. Even if you have an enclosed cabin with reliable doors, SHUT, it still does not guarantee COMPLETE safety, only an approximation thereto. It only takes one bump to throw the machine around a little unexpectedly or a moment of in-attention on the part of you or your passenger and you could have a head slammed against a window or panel.

I don't want to rain on anybody's parade but I also don't want to see anybody hurt either. That grandfather's second biggest mistake was NOT putting the tractor into neutral and setting the brake before allowing the child to dismount.

Re getting the word out: Dunno, Mate. Some people can be notoriously hard to edumacate. Having said that, I still think the answer lies with education rather than with legislation. And that means education, not only of tractor USERS but also of the manufacturers. See the link below.

It is sometimes said that any changes we want to see in the world, we ought first to make happen within ourselves. Seems like a good idea to me, then maybe the example will rub off on others.

Hopefully.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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