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Martin Miller

11-10-2003 14:23:02

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I have a very nice 1998 Ford F-150 1/2 ton pickup with a 4.6 liter triton V-8. I am soon purchasing an Allis Chalmers WD and need to haul it approx. 100 miles each direction. Will my truck handle the weight and pull. I have a 20 Ft. Car trailer with 2 3,500 lb axles. I appreciate any help.

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Bill Vanderstyne

11-12-2003 10:30:03

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

You should be fine, just make sure you have trailer brakes and that the tires on the trailer and rear of the truck are in good shape because thay will get warm. I had a '97 GMC 1/2 ton with a 5.7 in it and hauled up to 8,000 lbs it on a trailer two 3,500 lb axles. I had brakes on all four of the trailer wheels and never had a problem.

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Chris

11-11-2003 08:30:19

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

I tow the same size trailer and tractor with my 2000 F-150 2-WD 5.4 automatic. Does a fine job. If you have trailer brakes you will be fine.

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Ron 1456

11-11-2003 07:58:28

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

I'm sure your pickup wdill handle the load as long as you keep the speed down. 45 or less would be a good idea especially if you would have to slow down quickly for some reason. As for myself I won't use a pickup to haul tractors anymore. I bought a drop deck semi trailer and built ramps on it and we pull it with the same semi tractor that we use to pull our grain trailer. The gooseneck trailer that I used behind my 3/4 ton Diesel pickup has been retired and is for sale. The biggest reason for the switch is safety. I understand that everyone doesn't need a tractor-trailer just to haul a small tractor around but from now on that is the way I do it.

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Jonathan

11-11-2003 09:00:20

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Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Ron 1456, 11-11-2003 07:58:28

whats the make and year of that diesel truck?, and where are you located?.

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Ron 1456

11-11-2003 20:03:22

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Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Jonathan, 11-11-2003 09:00:20

The pickup wasnt't for sale. Just the trailer. But since you asked it is a 1996 Ford F-250 Supercab 4x4 with the Power Stroke Diesel. By the way it's red.

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pasbon

11-11-2003 08:20:43

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Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Ron 1456, 11-11-2003 07:58:28

what kind of trailer, size,where located and how much???

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Ron 1456

11-11-2003 19:56:46

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Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to pasbon, 11-11-2003 08:20:43

The trailer is a 1982 Kiefer 16' flatbed with 2 6000# axles. I live in eastern Nebraska. Probably will ask about $2000.

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Pasbon

11-12-2003 05:48:27

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Ron 1456, 11-11-2003 19:56:46

was looking for something a little longer, maybe 20-24'if possible a little closer to La. thanks for the reply though...

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Jim (Mi)

11-11-2003 07:54:06

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

Martin, I pull a WD with the new Ram 1500 4x4 with the 4.7L all over. A WD stripped down with un-loaded tires is #3500. More than likely it is around #4000, or if the tires are loaded #5000, not including any attachments you might be buying. My truck weights #5500 and I would not even think about hauling without trailor brakes. I hauled it once with a Dodge Dakota with no trailor brakes. But only about 10 miles. I needed a half mile to slow it down or it would shoot me thru the intersection. That plus the trailor is a LOT of weight to stop with the truck brakes.

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Don Wadge

11-10-2003 21:09:08

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

Expectations have changed a lot. Ten years ago you would have thought you died and went to heaven pulling with that 4.6. It will out pull the older Ford 351 (5.8) or the older Chev 350.

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Shane

11-11-2003 05:04:57

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Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Don Wadge, 11-10-2003 21:09:08

Sure it will if you are talking about the old carb fed engines. The later model 350 will handle more than that 4.6 and I would assume the 351 would too.

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jCarroll

11-10-2003 20:36:24

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

The smartest comment I've ever read on this topic was the fellow who said "It's not how much you can haul, it's how much you can stop."
After someone pulled in front of me at an intersection - and my truck, trailer, and tractor went thru the side of his truck - I put brakes on my trailer.
Another quote "You can be careful several times a day, but you can only get killed once!"

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11-10-2003 18:43:51

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

You should have no problem...just take it easy...my '96 1/2 ton chevy has hauled a fully loaded trailer(20')and the truckbed full has 180K and still going strong.

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caseman-d

11-10-2003 18:30:46

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

I pull a 26ft gooseneck trailer hauling a 9500lb tractor with my 97 Chevy 1500 4x4. It has the 350 with automatic trany. Have made some 350 plus miles trip hauling my W-6 which wieghs around 6000. The 350 handles it if you take your time, 454 would be much better. I do have electic brakes on the trailer so that helps alot stopping. Wouldn't recomend hauling anything over 9500lbs with a 1/2. I finally found an old Ford one ton dually I use now. Truth be told I did have to put new bearings in the rear end. Have 86,000 on the pickup and the engine and trany seem to be holding up. As they say Chevy Tough.
caseman-d
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Jonathan

11-10-2003 17:07:14

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

I haven't hauled tractors, but I have hauled large loads of slabwood before. My trailer is a 3.5 ton capacity and I have loaded it up to full capacity. I used a 1988 ford F150 4x4 with a very tired 302 under the hood and a 5 speed with a somewhat tall gear ratio, it would take all it had in a very steep hill, but if worst come to worst I'd shift it all the way down to 1st and it would pull it up. I didn't try to beat the truck and just took my time and it worked just fine. I'd buy a bigger truck if I hauled all the time, but it's very rare I put that much on it. I cannot stress enough that if you are going to pull that much with your truck that YOU NEED TRAILER BRAKES, I made the mistake one day of accidently unplugging the brakes with my foot when I stepped over the trailer tongue to get to the other side. I made a big scene when I come into town and tried to stop at a stopsign, I stopped alittle later than I wanted, and didn't come anywhere near an accident, but I sure did leave some black marks were the trailer pushed the truck along.
Your 4.6 liter should pull it no problem seeing as how it has more torque and horse power than my truck and a 5 speed will take alot more abuse than an automatic. Also a lower gear ratio will make heavy pulling an easier task in the hills. Since you plan on doing a long trip, I'd keep watch of the temp guage, and pull over for awhile if need be. Also when you load the trailer, you need to try to put the majority of the weight on the axles of the trailer, but enough on the truck so you'll have easier braking and not be overloading the rear springs and tires of your truck needlessly. Make sure your tires are properly inflated because they will get hot if they are soft, which will damage the tire(s) and/or cause a blowout, always carry spares too!.
Hope this helps,
Jonathan

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hay

11-10-2003 16:07:05

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

i haul a small JD tractor and loader on a 16' lowboy trailer behind my 1993 F-150 5.0 v-8 and never had any problems. not a long distance, but a lot of low hills and lots of traffic (stop and go). total weight on my trailer is approx 3400 lbs and the trailer weight is 1500 lbs so that makes close to 5000 lbs of towing plus the truck weight of 4200 lbs. the GCWR is 11,500 lbs. i would believe you should be able to haul your load comfortably. just take it easy for a while to get used to the load. and make sure you have trailer brkaes hooked and working properly. i believe it's required in most states.

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FarmallH42

11-10-2003 15:57:24

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

I sure wouldn't worry about it. Your 4.6 has over 200 horses (I think 260?) and my 5.0 has 160 and pulls that kind of stuff all the time. Loaded gooseneck stock trailer sure weighs more than that tractor and I don't have trouble.

You really SHOULD have trailer brakes though...

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Shane

11-10-2003 19:41:34

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Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to FarmallH42, 11-10-2003 15:57:24

Horse power isn't everything. Our grain truck with diesel engine is rated at 250 horse but it will move 50,000 plus as easily as that 5.0 will move a loaded trailer. Torque is the key!

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Cosmo

11-10-2003 15:39:00

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

I haul my Massey Ferguson 35 with a harrow up and down and all around on a 16' trailer behind a half ton 350 Chevy. So far so good.

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D.L.

11-10-2003 20:30:31

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Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Cosmo, 11-10-2003 15:39:00

I've been driving pickup trucks most of my life, and have done just about anything you can imagine...some none-too-smart. I started with a half-ton, sold it and got a 3/4, progressed from there to a one ton dually, and have finally ended up with a four ton (F-550) dually...all of them four wheel drives. I mention that because four-wheelers are generally rated to carry a heavier load than two wheel drive models. What I've found over the years is that I can get a load in motion with just about anything...even a Volkswagen! The excitement comes into play when something goes wrong...like the time I was using my 4 horse trailer to move...my one-ton truck with the trailer attached weighed in at nearly 24 thousand pounds...I had driven several hundred miles on intermitently icy roads with no problems, then, an antelope strolled out onto the road directly in front of me. Obviously overloaded, and with no trailer brakes, there was little I could do. Fortunately, the big buck kept on walking, and I missed him. But I learned a good lesson with that one. The problem is, when you overload a rig like that, you can get the load to move, but then it becomes a tail-wagging-the-dog scenario. I realize the F-550 is a bit extravagant (and I probably can't really justify having it, other than I like it) but we have a 37' 5th wheel camping trailer, a 30' flatbed we use to haul hay, etc, a large & heavy horse trailer...you get the picture...we USE the truck. AND, since I've driven the larger and heavier trucks, I haven't had any times I've felt like I wasn't in control of the vehicles. One IMPORTANT thing...is to get and use trailer brakes...can't tell you what a difference they make. When I first got my set-up, I bought an electronic controller (for less than $100) and installed it myself. BEST MONEY I EVER SPENT!!

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Arnie

11-10-2003 21:18:30

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Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to D.L., 11-10-2003 20:30:31

You are saying that 4x4s can haul more thatjust 2 wheel drive, well then why in the truck pamphlet is the 2 wheel drive rated at more hauling weight? just though i would ask and am wondering who is right

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Shane

11-11-2003 04:58:18

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Arnie, 11-10-2003 21:18:30

I have THE answer for that! The reason is that they figure up a number that a specific truck can haul, including truck weight, passengers, fuel, load, trailer, etc. Now, this is on a base model truck, add long bed, extended cab, and 4wd and you have to subtract weight from what it can haul or pull to stay within the overall total weight for the base model truck. Does that help or confuse?

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K-Mo

11-10-2003 16:04:26

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Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Cosmo, 11-10-2003 15:39:00

I have only seen a slight mention of brakes.
YOU MUST HAVE TRAILER BRAKES. If you don't the trailer will push you right through a STOP sign and will also cause you to "jackknife". The trailer has more weight than your truck. Like the gentleman said, "set the trailer brakes to engage first".
Good luck,
K-Mo

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JohN 50

11-10-2003 18:22:29

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Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to K-Mo, 11-10-2003 16:04:26

I have hauled many, many tractors on trailers without brakes. You just have to drive smart, brake early and use the tranny to help slow you down.

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Jonathan

11-10-2003 18:30:25

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to JohN 50, 11-10-2003 18:22:29

what happens if suddenly theres an emergency or you get surprized where you suddenly have to stop?, you'd be screwed.

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Jason

11-10-2003 15:32:51

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

If you ain't going up and down too many hills you might be ok for a one time trip. The truck will be over loaded,but it will probably do ok. Do you have trailer breaks? It would be good to have them. Does the tractor have liquid in the tires? If so you are pushing it. If not you will still be maxed out,but not as bad.

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farmall300u

11-10-2003 15:23:59

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

Couple of comments:
1. Is your truck manual or automatic?
If automatic, watch any long pulls up hills for your tranny temperature, especially on hot days. 2. What class of hitch are you using and do you use a load leveler hitch like Reese? If you don't have helper springs on your 150, consider buying a load leveler hitch. They work very well.
3. How much tongue weight will your hitch take? I like a lot of tongue weight when pulling my SM on a 10,000 lb trailer.
4. Brake Controller--set it to have the trailer brakes come on first or does your trailer have a surge brake? If so, don't plan on backing up.

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Martin Miller

11-10-2003 15:42:25

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Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to farmall300u, 11-10-2003 15:23:59

My truck is a 5 speed manual transmition. I have a 2' receiver. I do not have a brake system in my truck. I am not sure how much my hitch can handle but I do pull a 29ft. Hornett camper with 550 lbs. on the hitch so I am sure it will handle a tractor.

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The weakest link is the t

11-10-2003 16:26:12

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Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 15:42:25

The five speeds in the f150s are a light weight Mazada design (close to if not the same as used in the Rangers and Mazdas) and are not rated higher than #3500s regardless of axle ratio or engine. The issue with your travel trailer or tractor will be more one of wear and tear rather than safety. Clutch size plays a role in the tow rating. The older 4 speeds (3sp with creeper) were built heavier and were driven through a larger diameter clutch. The key is not whether you can do something, but how long will your machine last while doing it.

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Jon

11-10-2003 22:33:39

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to The weakest link is the t, 11-10-2003 16:26:12

Fellas I halled a 20 foot totally enclosed home built trailer (heavily bilt) with four quads in it with an 85 Ford Ranger 2.8 liter, 5 speed, and 3.5 gear ratio. The worst problem was the trailer was wider than the mirrors. As I normally use my 79 Bronco to pull this trailer, I had wired a momentary push button hung over the signal light switch in the Ranger. When I needed to stop or slow down, I just pushed the button, sort of same principal as an electric brake control with hand control. As the trip was 150 miles on the the busiest hiways in the area, you bet I had a lot of looks. Even passed a few ---- Chevs

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Eddie

11-10-2003 21:49:12

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to The weakest link is the t, 11-10-2003 16:26:12

Your asking for trouble in a short time with that F-150 Ford, that light duty truck isn't designed to be pulling or hauling the weight of your trailer and that Allis C. tractor.
The transmission is a light duty with a small clutch mainly for very light loads not over 1
#1,000 and maybe pull a light two wheel trailer hauling a riding lawnmover. Also, the rear wheel bearing are small and the axle kept in the housing with a small keeper ring like Chevy's that always loose their axles. This truck is used mostly as a passenger car and a grocery wagon for Ma Ma to go to town and PU the kids from school. Its definitely not desighed for hauling or pulling the weight you are planning on doing. Trade that machine off and get at least a 3/4 ton that is desighed to haul and pull what you have. My experience from farm, old field work, plus trucking for the past 45yrs. tells me that you need a larger heavier truck.

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Kelly C

11-10-2003 22:09:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Haul in reply to Eddie, 11-10-2003 21:49:12

Hmmm. Lets see buy a new Truck to bring a AC C home. Sounds like a plan to me!!!!

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sod

11-11-2003 12:05:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor in reply to Kelly C, 11-10-2003 22:09:17

It's a win- win situation!
good luck
sod

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old

11-10-2003 15:21:24

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

I've hauled more then that with a 1/2 ton truck and a car hauling trailor you jsu need to take it easy and add 3 times the stopping distance. But on the other hand I have to remember it was a 1969 Chev not one of them fall aparts lol. I also have a ford truck but its a good one it was made back when fords where good 1965, there are 2 good fords old ones and tractors. Just kidding I know how it is some people can't keep a chev on the road and other can't keep a ford

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JOHN (LA)

11-10-2003 15:18:43

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

The gross weight for your truck is printed on a tag in the door jam. GVWR_____
add up every thing and see if you are within limits. you should be able to get truck weight out of owners man.
If still not sure load up every thing a go to a near by truck stop a weigh it. $8.00 This will also allow you to know where to put things on the trailer as each weight for axles is printed out

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Jim.UT

11-10-2003 15:05:44

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

If this is a one-time haul, you should be fine. You may be going slower than you'd like. If you make a habit of hauling that tractor around you may want to look at upgrading both your truck and your trailer. The 3500 lb figure quoted below is probably a shipping weight when it was new. Add to that 1,000 lbs if the tires are filled. Figure 6 lbs/gal of gas in the tank. Hauling an implement, too, like a bushhog or box blade? Add several hundred pounds there. Does it have a front end loader on it? Add another 1500 lbs.

Now take your trailer. You say it has two 3500 lb axles. That's 7,000 lbs total right? Wrong. How much does the trailer weigh? 1200 lbs? 1500 lbs? Subtract that from the 7000 lb gross figure for it's load capacity. Now add all that stuff up with your tractor (if applicable) and you start pushing the limit.

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Shane

11-10-2003 19:34:47

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Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Jim.UT, 11-10-2003 15:05:44

Good points here, I didn't think about the fluid and assumed he would figure in the implements if there were any.

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Shane

11-10-2003 14:41:29

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Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 14:23:02

According to tractortips.com an Allis WD weighs around 3500 lbs. Even though it is a Ford it should handle it decently, with only the 4.6 it may be a bit underpowered but it should handle it ok.

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Garry

11-11-2003 05:47:33

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Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Shane, 11-10-2003 14:41:29

Since you only have to travel about 100 miles the Ford should do it. Schedule an appointment with the mechanic for when you get back though. LOL ( a Chevy owner here of course)

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Martin Miller

11-10-2003 15:06:48

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Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Shane, 11-10-2003 14:41:29

HAHA. Let me guess you are a Chevy fan? You know what Chevy stands for don't you? JUNK. I just had to throw that in. Thanks for your reply.

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Shane

11-10-2003 19:32:59

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Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Martin Miller, 11-10-2003 15:06:48

Yes I am a Chevy fan but keep in mind that I would rather push a Ford than drive a Dodge!

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Van

11-10-2003 21:33:27

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Hauling in reply to Shane, 11-10-2003 19:32:59

Step up to a DODGE CUMMINS and find out what push means,----- a chevy and a ford LOL Little toys for little boys

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Joel Harman

11-11-2003 04:27:10

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor Haul in reply to Van, 11-10-2003 21:33:27

If one just didn't have to buy that dodge that comes with the cummins.

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Alvin n Ms.

11-11-2003 06:02:43

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1/2 Ton Truck and Tractor in reply to Joel Harman, 11-11-2003 04:27:10

Joel, all the people that I talk to, speak well of Dodge with Cummings engines. I know they want run as fast as the power stroke, but they get lots better fuel mileage. Lets us here your story.
About hauling heavy loaded trailors, with pickups,just remember you are flirting with disaster if something goes wrong, like a rear tire blows out at 70 going down hill. Also make sure you have plenty of tounge weight to prevent fish tailing. I use good 6ply tires on the rear of mine. I've been trailoring 50 years and have been up to 70 lots of times, just try to stay up with the guys that don't go over 50.

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