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Prof

11-30-2003 06:10:57

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Can anyone help me in my reasearch, purely for my own education, What is the oldest internal combustion engined tractor, when was it made, what is its make, what would we have seen on the land in the year 1904

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Glenn in MI

11-30-2003 15:25:28

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Re: Oldest Tractor in reply to Prof, 11-30-2003 06:10:57

According to the Encyclopedia of American Farm Tractors, the Charter Gas Engine Company built a gasoline engine tractor in 1889. They used a stationary gasoline engine on a steam traction engine chassis.

I think this was an experimental tractor, with only a few built, as with the Froelich and Case Patterson. I believe Hart-Parr always claimed to have the first production tractor. I don't know when the first tractors were built in Europe, however.

Glenn

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11-30-2003 09:05:03

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Re: Oldest Tractor in reply to Prof, 11-30-2003 06:10:57

The predicessor of the XXX (the tractor whos name can not be spoken here)Used as an auxillary power source abord the Aprilflower and then by the Pligrims.

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Rufus Windrow

11-30-2003 12:37:12

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Re: Re: Oldest Tractor in reply to CJ, 11-30-2003 09:05:03

Of course, how silly of me not to have mentioned that. The *** you speak of was indeed the first, no arguments or debates are allowed on this subject, albeit it was a version before the actual naming of the ***, it did have *** blood lines. Now with surefire DNA tractor testing it is indeed indisputable. I'm embarassed not to have thought of it, I really should have known.

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Prof

11-30-2003 10:36:13

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Re: Re: Oldest Tractor in reply to CJ, 11-30-2003 09:05:03

Thanks everyone, I posted a follow up but I think its gone to only one of those who took the trouble to reply to my plea. If any one in the UK has a 1904 tractor and would be prepaired to put it into our little vintage show in July PLEASE email me as Im the Entry Sec.
Thanks for your help I now have something to work on, (you can get hooked on old tractors you know)

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Roy in UK

11-30-2003 08:20:27

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Re: Oldest Tractor in reply to Prof, 11-30-2003 06:10:57

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Prof.

11-30-2003 10:27:08

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Re: Re: Oldest Tractor in reply to Roy in UK, 11-30-2003 08:20:27

Thanks for the information you have all given to me, I would love a Hart Parr but imagine it would be a little clumsy on Road Runs.My reasons for wanting to obtain this knowledge, apart from brain thereapy for myself, is I have been asked to be the "Entry Sec" for our local Vintage Show and as its a 100 year celebration for the town carnival and our show kicks off the event, I needed to gather as much info as I can in order to do the job right. I can see now that getting a 1904 Tractor to the show, would be quite a task. Thanks again. Prof UK

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Deas Plant.

11-30-2003 11:42:33

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Re: Re: Re: Oldest Tractor in reply to Prof., 11-30-2003 10:27:08

Hi, Prof. If you want to drop me an e-mail, I have a couple of photos of a working 1904 Ivel here in Australia. They come from a magazine called The Land which had a spread on vintage tractors earlier this year. That may well be as close as you will get to a working 1904 tractor, unless you can 'con' the owners here to send it over your way for the show. Fares and freight paid and lunch money MIGHT do the trick.

I vaguely seem to remember posting a photo of the Ivel under Tractor Photos about 3 or 4 months ago.

Hope this helps.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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John (C-IL)

11-30-2003 06:30:11

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Re: Oldest Tractor in reply to Prof, 11-30-2003 06:10:57

There are older tractors, but Hart Parr #3 is generally acknowledged to be the first successful gasoline production tractor, built in late 1902 and sold as a 1903 model. John Culbertson's book "The Tractor Builders" has some pretty good information on it. There is some info on the tractor on the HPOCA web site that is pretty good. The tractor is currently in the museum at the I&I Antique Tractor & Gas Engine Club showgrounds in Penfield, IL on loan from the Smithsonian Institution's Museum of American History.

HPOCA Web site

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Hart Parr #3

11-30-2003 06:33:48

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Steve - IN

11-30-2003 06:28:10

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Re: Oldest Tractor in reply to Prof, 11-30-2003 06:10:57

The History Channel has the first internal combustion tractor as a gas engine machine made by John Froelich in 1892. He then formed the Waterloo Gasoline Traction Engine Company which was bought by Deere.

There may haven been others and even slightly earlier gas engine tractors - but they don't have a lineage that's pumped by a modern day PR department.

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CASEPOWER

11-30-2003 07:31:24

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Re: Re: Oldest Tractor in reply to Steve - IN, 11-30-2003 06:28:10

Case also had a gas tractor constructed in 1892 with a patterson engine. It was a real drawbar tractor molded after the steam traction engines. The Froelich was a wooden framed tractor without even a grouser or cleat one on the drive wheels. It was a portable powerunit that moved under its own power but would have been usless in the field. The Froelich would have been like a warehouse forklift on the beach only with less power. If you look at a picture of a Patterson case you will see the difference between a Murray lawn mower and a Cat dozer.

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Taylor Lambert

11-30-2003 09:34:37

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Re: Re: Re: Oldest Tractor in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 07:31:24

I like your comparison with like a ware house lift on the beach, I ocasionally drive mine out on the gravel lot where my shop is to move trailers but alot of tmes i have to get the backhoe to move the trail and lift lol.

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