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GLEN

12-03-2003 14:05:29

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I'm thinking about about building a new shop.I
don't know what type of heat to install.Some say
to use the overhead radiant heaters and some say
to use in floor heat using a boiler and water circulating pump system.Does anybody have an opinion or any experiences they could share.Thank
you.

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tomp

12-04-2003 06:00:23

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Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to GLEN, 12-03-2003 14:05:29

Just finished install in Alaska, lots of infloor systems up here.
particulars-
1800ft2 with 1500' of 5/8" pex, weil Mclain Cgs4, mixing valve, insulated the perimeter but not underneath.
only wish I would have used 300' more tubing

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Kent

12-05-2003 17:54:19

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Re: Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to tomp, 12-04-2003 06:00:23

tomp, I am getting ready to pour a 50 x 72 shop floor. Can you explain what each is in your post and any recommendations. Thanks Kent

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Greywolf

12-04-2003 04:12:38

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Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to GLEN, 12-03-2003 14:05:29

Something no one has mentioned and the only drawback I can come up with is the moisture.

A while back in Farm Show i read where a guy dug in 1000 feet of 4" non perferated tile 8' deep.

The two ends of the loop are in the shop. All he uses is a squirell cage fan to circulate the air through the tube.

Claims are constant 50 or so degree air moving. Granted it isn't shirt sleeve temps, but to me maybe would be something to look at for supplemental. Basically free heat from the ground.

summer time would have air conditioning but then the condesation factor would come into play.

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Dean Barker

12-03-2003 22:11:39

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Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to GLEN, 12-03-2003 14:05:29

I have the same decision to make. Everyone seems to like in floor heat, so I talked to my favorite plumber. He had just added on a new shop, and here is what he did. He took a regular house furnace and mounted it up almost to the ceiling, running the cold air intake down to the floor and running a hot air duct along the ceiling to two corners. He has two ceiling fans running to circulate the air. He also insulated under the concrete. He installs a lot of in floor systems, but thinks eventually they will leak. His system is simple and is easily repaired. I lay down on his floor and it was warm; he sets the temp at a constant 60 degrees. I still haven't decided what to do.

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Larry NE IL

12-03-2003 18:38:32

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Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to GLEN, 12-03-2003 14:05:29

Glen, I don't think you can beat in floor heat. I love it! Last year, I helped a friend build a shop. He put glycol in his system so he can turn it off if he's out of town for a while. I liked that so much, I filled mine the same way.
Good luck, Larry

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Rick

12-03-2003 17:33:41

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Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to GLEN, 12-03-2003 14:05:29

Glen; I am sure in floor heat is nice. I have been using the radiant tube heaters and I like them fine also. It is a very constant heat also. The shop I use was once full of grain all the time so the cement was already there. i basically just turn on the one that I need or am closest two. Have them setup in bays. I like them.

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jd520

12-03-2003 17:32:15

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Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to GLEN, 12-03-2003 14:05:29

in floor heat is the best! no hot and cold spots. the best part of it is it is QUIET!the pilot light makes as mutch noise as the whole system running. i have it in a 50-60-16 tall shop Cheap to run! temp on floor 2 degrees lower than the ceiling.when i open door [24-14 ] iturn off power to boiler so it does not fire up. in a few minutes the slap heat recoups the air temperature.Draw back It takes a while to raise the temp.so you set temp. at 55 and let it there. the key to this system is insulation!!!

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Loren

12-03-2003 17:03:41

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Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to GLEN, 12-03-2003 14:05:29

Go with the in-floor heat. I have a forced air furnace in my garage/shop, where I keep my tractors, and it works ok, but my neighbor has the in floor system and it is great. He collects cars, not tractors. Has about 25 Mopar muscle cars. Working in his shop is much more pleasant than mine.

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Bob

12-04-2003 06:35:21

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Re: Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to Loren, 12-03-2003 17:03:41

Loren, good to hear someone else out there is collecting old Mopars. I've got a pristine 67 Charger under cover, and am presently working on a 64 Dodge Model 440 Hemi car. Where is your friend located, and does he ever use moparts.com?

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Loren

12-04-2003 08:48:15

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Re: Re: Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to Bob, 12-04-2003 06:35:21

He is located in Madison Lake, MN. I don't have his e-mail, but will try and get it for you.

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bob

12-03-2003 16:42:20

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Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to GLEN, 12-03-2003 14:05:29

Definitely do the in-slab radiant heat. I did it in my 32X30 garage four years ago, and never had any regrets. I keep it at 55 degrees and it is very comfortable. This garage is attached to the house but I have no doorways or anything between the two, so I do have to step out of the house to get into the garage. The main reason for doing it this way was I didn't want any way for the garage smells, etc to get into the house, as the wife has a sensitive nose. I didn't put a "boiler" in the garage, but just installed another 40-gallon water heater in the basement and plumbed it through the wall. This way I don't have an open flame in the garage either. I did mine for under $1K, but shopped around for all of the controls, pump, etc. It's beautiful heat!!

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rod

12-03-2003 16:12:00

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Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to GLEN, 12-03-2003 14:05:29

I think there are some health concerns that is long term I read an article somewhere about kidney problems from working or standing on heated floors for to long at a time. I can't remember where I saw it at but if you did a search on the net you might find some more info. quite a few outdoor furnaces up here an old fellow out the road gets his going and you can't see traffic coming with all the smoke.
regards
rod

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Deere

12-03-2003 15:57:21

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Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to GLEN, 12-03-2003 14:05:29

We put in floor heat in our shop when we built it 5 years ago and it has been trouble free and I would never put anything else in.

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Chip

12-03-2003 15:54:10

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Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to GLEN, 12-03-2003 14:05:29

Heat the floor. Once the slab is @ the desired temp,the building stays comfortable,nice to work in.The slab heats the air & objects from the bottom up,heat rises naturally so why try to force it down.Don't overheat the floor,where you might set the t'stat@68-72 normally,a slab temp of 64-69 seams to work good.(warm feet!)The floor will dry itself also.We've found it is also good to have air circulation to help prevent mold in wet conditions such as wash bays or when equipment melts off(ceiling fan(s),old furnace blowers).At least put the tube in,after the pour it's to late,then you can add it when you want.You can always add supplemental heat if desired,but not the tube.Make sure the boiler is piped right or it wont last long.We've repaired quite a few&traced it back to improper installation.My company has done shops,hangers,garages,basements,everybody is very happy w/it.Check out a couple buildings in your area, I think you'll like it.

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Shane

12-03-2003 16:02:06

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Re: Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to Chip, 12-03-2003 15:54:10

Around us the outdoor woodburners are catching on fast. It is essentially a boiler but the fuel is pratically free. We have one for the house and milkhouse and it works great. Got rid of the LP tank so it is the only heat source. This is the way I would go, you can add an extra circuit to have a regular fan type heater to raise the temp in a hurry too.

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RAB

12-03-2003 14:34:02

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Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to GLEN, 12-03-2003 14:05:29

No experience, but nearly all the posts on the archives extol the virtues of the under-floor system - except for the response time.
I think my experience of laying on cold, damp floors, to do repairs, does not do my back any good at all.
Regards, RAB

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John Ne.

12-03-2003 19:40:00

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Re: Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to RAB, 12-03-2003 14:34:02

I work in a fulltime shop with hot water heat in the floor. When its real cold out, laying or even kneeling on the floor feels just great. When the garage doors go up and the wind pushes all the heat out, within 30 seconds of the doors closing, the heat is radiating back up again. Sometime it gets too warm, and feet get too toasty. But am real happy with it. John in Nebr.

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peter kosloski

12-03-2003 14:31:26

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Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to GLEN, 12-03-2003 14:05:29

I went in floor heat in a 32 x 42 12ft - 16 ft ceiling. I am very happpy with it the system total cost was 1500 - 1700 bucks. Got a deal on a boiler. I keep it at 50 degrees all the time and I figure it costs me at the very most 50 bucks a month in the dead of a wisconsin winter. When I work in there at night I turn on (8) 500 watt halogen fixtures (cheap electricity here) and raise the temp 6-8 degrees in 1.5 hours. Halogen Lighting can be a supplimental heat source in a well insulated shop. The best part is no noise or drafts to the system, just the click of a relay now and then.

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Bfredwi

12-03-2003 14:37:09

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Re: Re: IN FLOOR HEAT in reply to peter kosloski, 12-03-2003 14:31:26

Also your floor stays drier and your feet stay warmer and if you should have to get down on the floor to do some work its nice and warm. A real even heat.

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