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Allan your open air sheds are looking better.

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IaGary

06-19-2007 06:38:12




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Phone rang at 1:00 this morning saying that my brothers machine shed/hay storage is on fire.

Brother is in Wis. on business so I go help.

Lost it all- 150HP FWD Hesston,605K baler, Motor Home ,Disc Mower.

And worst of all to,me dads 460 Farmall that he bought new.

I finally got enough burning bales out of there at 6:00 this morning to get the fire out.

Just now getting my morning coffee.

Gary

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730virgil

06-19-2007 19:51:57




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
i was about 8 or 9 when some one near us had a fire that broke the guy. buildings were close together and wind was in direction that carried fire trough all of the buildings except house. that's all that was standing when fire was out. he had borrowed neighbors tractor and put it in corn crib for the night. he tryed to get tractor out of crib the fire was so hot the tires peeled off of the rims as he tried to drive it out so the neighbors tractor was lost too. the farmer had nothing left so moved to town as he was broke.

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Clint Youse MO

06-19-2007 16:06:10




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
Sorry to hear that Fire is the worst kind of lost my parents house burned to the ground JAN 7, 2002 they lost it all mom had her PJs on and dad his boxers and a pair of leather boots I was in college at the time was at home that night ran out with a pair of blue jeans no shirt, no shoes grabbed my carhartt overalls on the way out the door luckily for us I had lots of clothes in my pickup and we had good friends that came and helped us. Hope your brother gets along ok the insurance helps financially but the emotions take a while to get over and there is no insurance for that.

Sorry for the lost I know what you feel

Clint

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Leland

06-19-2007 15:17:27




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  

Funny how these things happen I guess we were just plain lucky .I have put some real green hay in lofts and never saw one burn yet .



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Billy NY

06-19-2007 13:15:23




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
Gary, very sorry to hear about this fire happening, not much one can say to help, but hope things work out, these kind of occurences sure are tough to deal with, hopefully things can get sorted out and there was some insurance to help replace the lost equipment.

On fathers day in '95, someone deliberately set my neighbors place while his family had taken him to lunch. Same thing, lost some equipment, a tractor that was his dad's, no idea how much else, believe it started in where he had his shop and some equipment, fuel storage etc. Considering everything that he had for equipment, he was fortunate most was outside, but it was so hot, wind blowing, fuel etc., when I got there, nothing anyone could do, the heat was too much, firemen could do nothing but watch, it roared 100' across the yard and took a huge cow barn, he was still milking then, lost some stock in there too, the silos were steaming and flared up like a candle, I thought they were going to blow. I grew up with their kids, and he's worked this ground before I was around it was an awful situation to witness. The heat and the intensity of this fire was that which would distintegrate anything in it's path, they tried keeping that cow barn from going, 100 feet away, but with the wind, nothing was stopping it, I was hundreds of feet away and the heat was almost unbearable. It would have taken his house as well, but it was up wind, so just some melted siding.

From my kitchen window that day:

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In the end, not sure how much was insured, the town ( whom I'll never forgive for it) would not allow them to have a benefit for a family whose roots have been firmly planted here for generations, he rebuilt and kept at it, stopped milking, but still had livestock until last year, so I hope on your end after sorting things out, the same thing happens, again very sorry to hear of this

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flying belgian

06-19-2007 10:28:57




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
I always thought I was fortunate to have enough shed room to get all tractors and equip. inside. Now I'm having second thoughts. Glad no one was hurt. You can buy new tractors.



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Don-Wi

06-19-2007 09:58:02




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
Sorry to hear- Hopefully there is enough insurance to cover everything, if not most of the costs.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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jubilee johnny

06-19-2007 09:57:54




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
I'm really sorry to hear about your misfortune. It's always hard to know what to say but I know how I would feel if my barn went up as I have three family heirloom tractors and my grandad's 1935 chev grain truck he bought new in my barn. Now i"m thinking of something different. Should I build a equipment shed open on sides and front?



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RodInNS

06-19-2007 14:17:05




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to jubilee johnny, 06-19-2007 09:57:54  
I doubt that open sides would make too much difference either. Heat rises, and if there's a roof it's going to catch it. Probably make some difference, but I doubt if it would be enough.
For anyone that is keeping motorised equipment inside, the single best thign you can do is install a battery ground disconnect switch on every vehicle, and use it. Shut the power off when it's inside or not in use. It at least cuts down on one ignition source, and the most common accidental one at that...

Rod

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Paul from MN

06-19-2007 09:26:47




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
Gary,

Very sorry to hear that. Glad everyone is ok though.

I was driving back to MN from Des Moines yesterday afternoon and it looked like there were some nasty storms brewing to the west of 35. Was it caused by lightning, or don't you know yet?



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Brokenwrench

06-19-2007 09:05:39




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
Gary,
Sorry to here about the fire.. I can`t imagine how it must feel to have things like that 460 reduced to nothing. Hang in there, things like this are hopefully once in a lifetime, and even that`s too often.
Brokenwrench



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Sam (Mo)

06-19-2007 08:35:10




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
Gary
Sorry for you lose. Glad that on one got hurt. They do make more metal, and you still got the memories of the old iron and your dad.
I had a fire about 5 years ago. I was lucky only to lose the barn and hay. Now a days I stack my rounds outside and trap them. Might be more work but the I can't afford a new barn every five years.

Sam



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RodInNS

06-19-2007 08:30:11




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
Gary, that's too bad. It's a darn big loss for anyone, even if it was insured. There was a stroy on the news here last night about a barn fire something very similar on Sunday. Guy lost 40 years worth of stuff and some stock, tractors etc. They're estimating the loss at close to a million to replace it all, and he had minimal insurance.
Poverty keeps my junk outside.... but I think it would stay there anyway.
The worst part of those fires is that once they get rolling, there's no realistic way to put them out. A big barn with a hay fire would require probably 3000+ GPM with foam just to try and hold it, never mind put it out. We lost a 80x96 hay barn and cattle shed on the ninth of Febuary, 95... one of the coldest nights of the winter that year. Only for a favorable wind we would have lost 3 more, but the wind was coming over them pushing the fire away. We simply don't have the equipment in 2 counties to move that kind of water for a fire like that. Every bale was handled in that mess, shook out and extinguished the next day. Big big mess.

Hope your brother lands on his feet....

Rod

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GaryKee

06-19-2007 08:23:00




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
Gary:

Sorry to hear about your family's misfortune this morning. Where is that shed at? I didn't hear anything on the radio this morning. Our department must not have been called? If so, I missed it.

Gary



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IaGary

06-19-2007 14:49:38




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to GaryKee, 06-19-2007 08:23:00  
Gary Tiffin was hauling water.

They had 9 fire departments there.

Over 40,000 gal of water was dumped.

Gary



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ShepFL

06-19-2007 08:19:43




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
Dam!

Sorry for your loss IAGary! That must have been ONE HOT FIRE!! Even though you lost alot be thankful no one was hurt.

I have only been around one barn fire and that was enough for me. The fire was due to green hay being put up.

Told the ol' boy his hay was to green and he told me (teenager) to shut up and mind my own business. Unfortunately he lost his whole barn and all the hay. Made for a long N. Idaho winter having to buy feed for all his cattle.

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georegeky

06-19-2007 08:31:10




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to ShepFL, 06-19-2007 08:19:43  
Shep, maybe you are like me and just don't know anything. I told a young fellow once who was baling soybeans that the bean was still to green to bale. He told me basicly the same thing, said the fodder was dry and it was. Three or four days later his barn,tractor,baler,two horses and some other things were gone.



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Cliff Neubauer

06-19-2007 08:19:18




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
We are looking at putting up a 50x50x18' steel building for hay storage that would have one end and one side open which should provide enough air movement to prevent something like that from happening. All of our round bales are stored outside but if we happen to have to bale a few on the wet side I let them sit in the field for several days before stacking them close together for storage.



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Allan In NE

06-19-2007 08:27:02




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 06-19-2007 08:19:18  
Hey Cliff,

You're a pretty darned sharp young man and I really hold you in high regard.

Just don't forget the rule. Hot hay always seems to leap into flame on the 17th of January when it's 40 below.

I leave those "wet babies" out in the field for a few days too, but really wonder if it makes a difference?

Dunno, these farm fires are just a bad thing that we have to deal with.

Allan



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Matt from CT

06-19-2007 07:33:11




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
Sorry to hear about that Gary.

On a smaller scale, you'll never see me have a garage attached to a house by anything more then an open breezeway. I guess that's just me, but I've seen enough severely damaged houses over the years from garage fires to not want to sleep next to something loaded with gasoline, tires, odds and ends of lumber, etc.



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Allan In NE

06-19-2007 06:56:55




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
Oh Man!

Darnit! So sorry to hear that. You or anyone else for that matter. Geeze! That gives me an upset stomach and what a lousey way to start the day. :>(

I know, people call me the crazy, looney-tune who doesn't know what he is talking about.

But, I'll say it again.

Two things I would never, ever put in a building is hay or tractors. I too, have been there and done that. I learned the hard way also. :>(

Sorry Bud,

Allan

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georgeky

06-19-2007 06:47:49




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:38:12  
Gary, that is rough, especialy about your dads tractor. A neighbor of mine lost both his tractors and most other equipment in a barn fire 2 weeks ago. My dad keeps 4 tractors in the same barn along with some other stuff to. I have begged him to put part of the tractors in another barn, so he wouldn't loose them all in case of a fire, but they still sit there.



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Allan In NE

06-19-2007 07:03:37




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to georgeky, 06-19-2007 06:47:49  
Yes,

Sad to say, it takes one of these traumas to make us learn.

Get those damned tractors out of those sheds!

The baler, okay, the planter okay, put the machinery in there if you want.

But, someday, when your least expecting it, sheded tractors are gonna burn. Not a question of "if", it is a question of when.

Boy! I just feel awfull about this! :>(

Allan



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georgeky

06-19-2007 07:37:19




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to Allan In NE, 06-19-2007 07:03:37  
Allen, I totally agree. All my tractors stay out except when being worked on. I do keep the balers and manure spreader in the barn along with some odd and end stuff, but never my tractors. I have seen to many of them burn up. I have preached to dad for years with no luck at all. He has two that he bought new and never uses anymore. They are completely covered in dust and bird droppings. I tried to buy one of them from him and he just say's no I think I am going to use that a little this year. This year has never come. Folks are under the assumption that they need to be in the dry. My old tractors look better than dads, the rain keeps them washed off, when we get any. It has rained 9 drops here this morning. I may need to bring the boat a little closer to the house.

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Allan In NE

06-19-2007 07:47:10




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to georgeky, 06-19-2007 07:37:19  
It goes against our human "reasoning" and everything we think as "normal". How can iron burn? Just doesn't make any sense. How could they possibly catch on fire?

I've had folks get downright indignant with me and read me the riot act over my opinion about shedded tractors.

But, tell ya what. I'll gladly deal with the fading paint 'cause I've seen 'em burn. Just not a pleasant experience and would not wish that on anyone.

I not only make sure they are outside, but also try to keep ‘em as far away from one another as possible. :>(

Allan

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davpal

06-19-2007 21:49:56




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to Allan In NE, 06-19-2007 07:47:10  
Sure doesn't pay to have to many eggs in one basket. I would love to have a shed for everything but cant swing it right now. I leave the White tractor outside and I will just repaint if every 10 years or so. I came home from work one night and saw a guys barn get hit with lightning and start on fire. It was on a busy highway and a friend of mine from work was also there. He woke up the owners and I pulled the farmall M and manure spreader out away from the barn. I did a quick check in there and didn't see anything else. I found out later a horse was in there I probably could have let out. Darn thing didn't make a sound. I felt pretty bad about it. There were also two penned up next to the barn we had to cut the fence with wire cutters to get them out. They darn near ran me over when I got the fence cut. I cut my hand pretty bad on the fence when they busted through the opening too. Was a pretty chaotic scene. Owners got those two put in a horse trailer. That barn went fast and hot and loud. It was a scary sight. Found out later the owner worked with my dad and he told my dad thank your son for saving my Farmall and helping with the horses. I though that was pretty nice.

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georgeky

06-19-2007 08:26:16




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to Allan In NE, 06-19-2007 07:47:10  
Cheaper to paint them every 15 years than to replace them. My M dad gave me was painted in 1990 and it has sit out every day since and still looks OK.



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IaGary

06-19-2007 06:53:50




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to georgeky, 06-19-2007 06:47:49  
He has dads 856 also.

When I got there I thought it was gone also. He normally parked it in there.

Then after a second look I noticed it wasn't in there.

So I went to the other shed and there it was. It has the loader. So I jumped on and started digging bales out.

Only tractor of dads we have left now.

Gary



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RustyFarmall

06-19-2007 07:04:18




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 06:53:50  
Bad news for sure. You have my deepest sympathy. Is the 460 totally beyond repair?



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IaGary

06-19-2007 07:21:55




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to RustyFarmall, 06-19-2007 07:04:18  
I think so???

Dash is gone. Hydraulic levers are gone as well as the tires,Seat,all hoses,wires and dist,tin is warped,sediment bowl,all alumiun parts are gone except one 460 emblem here on my desk that I took off.

And the oil burned out of the pan.

She was a hot one.

I'll get pictures later.

Gary



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RustyFarmall

06-19-2007 07:38:04




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 07:21:55  
I think I have to agree. If she got that hot, even the cast iron housings would be brittle.



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IaGary

06-19-2007 07:30:51




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 07:21:55  
Just thought of one thing.

Dad was a heller on service for machines.

I remember seeing nice green anti freeze in the bottom of the lower radiator hose, no rust what so ever.

This was the 460 with over 9000 hours on the tach and the engine, TA and rear end were never opened.

Brother put in the first clutch last year. And it had a loader on it for 20 years.

Gary



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georgeky

06-19-2007 07:44:25




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 Re: Allan your open air sheds are looking better. in reply to IaGary, 06-19-2007 07:30:51  
Gary, in 1990 we had a livestock barn struck by lightning and burned to the ground. It 4000 bales of alfalfa in the loft and an old 5000 Ford sitting under the loft it got so hot that the front axle just colapsed. The front of the tractor was sitting flat on the ground. I really hated to see the barn go a lot worse than that old tractor. The barn had ramps that folks use to drive trucks directly up in the loft. I never tried it, but have seen old photo's of it being done in the 40's.

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