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Clint

01-11-2004 19:06:01




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Between Case New Holland,Agco, and Deere who is doing the best financialy. If you were to buy stock in one of these companys which one would you pick?




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Bill_SC

01-13-2004 04:27:11




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 Re: Financial ? about Ag. cos. in reply to Clint, 01-11-2004 19:06:01  
I bought AGCO and CNH in 2003. AGCO is up 25% and CNH is up 26%. They both make me nervous.



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kyhayman

01-12-2004 19:34:13




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 Re: Financial ? about Ag. cos. in reply to Clint, 01-11-2004 19:06:01  
Right now they are all over priced. Cat seems the most over priced of all. I personally like CNH of Cat, Deere, CNH. Last Feb I bought all 3. All paid some dividend during the year. Cat had the best run run up in value. I sold them all in July.



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i r baboon

01-12-2004 18:33:57




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 Re: Financial ? about Ag. cos. in reply to Clint, 01-11-2004 19:06:01  
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Shane

01-12-2004 12:46:37




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 Re: Financial ? about Ag. cos. in reply to Clint, 01-11-2004 19:06:01  
No one could honestly tell you who is doing the best financially, these huge companies lie about their income all the time just to make stock prices go up and down, besides who really cares if they made 50 million or lost 20 million. Their products still are out of my pocket book reach, anyways if I had to buy one it would have to be CaseNH. Always been a Case (more of a Case than CaseIH) man. Can't stand Deere, too preppy like to me, over rated and over priced. And AGCO is just bad all around. Have an Allis-Chalmers and it sits cause no one will even take it and the thing is a pile of junk. And what about those lime green machines, yikes! But this choice has nothing to do with making money, just supporting my team!

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mike

01-12-2004 09:24:08




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 Re: Financial ? about Ag. cos. in reply to Clint, 01-11-2004 19:06:01  
Well, I am a stockbroker with over 10 years experience, so I know something about this.

IMHO, none of the AG companies are buys right now. Deere is the best run of the three, but NOT at a buy right now. I like CNH, but the fact that is 80% owned by FIAT is a negative to me. Those huge international conglomerates never seem to work out very well. How can those guys in Turin know what the farmer in Iowa wants or needs? How can they possibly run this effectively? Odds are that they can't.

Would never buy Agco. They are a collection of widows and orphans and don't have much going for them. Apart from Massey, when was the last time you saw a new Agco tractor going down the road? The sales just aren't really there. At least not here in the upper Midwest.

However, you forgot to add CAT to the list of choices. Also not a buy, but is on the watch list.

Not trying to sell myself, just commenting on the issue. Actually have been buying oil/energy stocks and big drug stocks here as well as good companies like WAG, and GE.

Just my 2 cents.

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bill in MA

01-12-2004 10:58:18




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 Re: Re: Financial ? about Ag. cos. in reply to mike, 01-12-2004 09:24:08  
Recently starting studying the financial markets. Using Investors Business Daily & Vector Vest. They both have web sites and VV will send you a very detailed free stock quote.

Last time I checked, about 6 weeks ago Vector Vest had DE as a buy.

Both of these 'services' take advantage of market timing, ie it's all just a big up and down continuous cycle.

Bill



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Dave H (MI)

01-12-2004 07:47:28




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 Re: Financial ? about Ag. cos. in reply to Clint, 01-11-2004 19:06:01  
I am what you could call a "financial guy" and I have had my clients come up with some crazy ways of picking stocks but this.....

I think there are some problems with the analysis here. First, I guess these are "AG" companies but both Case and especially Deere are heavy into lawn & garden. Second, while in the USA we are basing our economy on housing starts instead of bushels of wheat, other developing nations are not. This is important because these are now global companies and are not necessarily tied to US farms in the long run (depressing as that may be). Third, if you are really interested in buying into a company AND you are able to post on this forum, you have acess to the charts and quotes that most ISP's make available. Let us take Deere and AOL as our examples. On AOL you can pull a quote every 20 minutes and can chart the stock's historical performance going back years. For all the gloom and doom you may be hearing, Deere has been on a steady CLIMB for three years now and is relatively high right now.
Should you buy Deere? NO! Watch it and buy it during a low period. The charts can tell you what is low and what is high. Do you sell it if it goes into a slump...well, duh....of course not.
Indy made money on Deere because he sat on it. That is traditionally how you do it. Can't tell you how many clients I have with six figure stock losses from day trading. That's my opinion, for what it is worth. Now....could you send me your billing address? 8>)

Dave the CPA

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havvey

01-12-2004 06:44:32




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 Re: Financial ? about Ag. cos. in reply to Clint, 01-11-2004 19:06:01  
i agree ag is a bottom barrel investment look around given your original question deere



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Indydirtfarmer

01-12-2004 03:34:44




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 Re: Financial ? about Ag. cos. in reply to Clint, 01-11-2004 19:06:01  
Right at the moment, Deere is in the best position, financially. That isn't to say they're booming. Also keep in mind that their present financial position doesn't indicate that the FUTURE will hold any major gains. They are a stable firm. Their stock value won't drop much, if any. Likewise, it won't leap upwards anytime soon. They are a good example of "Long-term investment stock" My father bought $1000(+) worth of Deere stock, in my name, when I was 2 years old. I'm 46 now. It's worth WAY MORE than the original $1000. It took 44 years to develope into what it is today. You aren't going to make a big gain, in a short time with ANY AG stocks, in the foreseeable future. The best time to buy a stock, if you intend to make money, is when it's down in value. Then you have to be either lucky, or very smart, and ride things out, as the stock (company) rises in value. It's the basis of ANY successful business venture..... ...Buy low, sell high. JMHO. John

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Shane

01-12-2004 12:37:06




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 Re: Re: Financial ? about Ag. cos. in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 01-12-2004 03:34:44  
But if you have been in the Ag business long enough you realize the only ones buying low and selling high are the guys selling to the farmers! We end up paying alot and selling for a little mean while working our tail off in the process!



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henrich - Iowa

01-11-2004 19:42:57




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 Re: Financial ? about Ag. cos. in reply to Clint, 01-11-2004 19:06:01  
None, I would look at the petroleum companies. Chevron-Texaco stock rose around $10 since December 1, 2003. The ag tractor companies aren't going to do that. Besides that, you will get a dividend.



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Clint

01-11-2004 20:08:13




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 Re: Re: Financial ? about Ag. cos. in reply to henrich - Iowa, 01-11-2004 19:42:57  
I am not at this time going to buy any stock in an AG co. I should have stated the question as which co. would you buy if you had to buy one of the three companys stock? This is off topic and I don't want to change this post to a financial discussion but just because a stock pays a dividend isn't a reason to buy.Depending on your financial situation you may be better off with growth stocks that pay little or no dividend. With dividends you pay income taxes on growth you only pay when you sell if there is a gain.

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paul

01-11-2004 23:11:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Financial ? about Ag. cos. in reply to Clint, 01-11-2004 20:08:13  
The original answer is still valid from the other guy - ag stocks are not a good investment at this time. Getting to be too small of a market, with too much overhead, change, & environmental liability, safety liability, etc. All of the major ag companies are feeling $$$ stress, and the shortliners are pretty much done for.

I would not buy into any of the 3 you mention at this time.

--->Paul



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Clint

01-12-2004 16:47:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Financial ? about Ag. cos. in reply to paul, 01-11-2004 23:11:30  
Never intended to buy into any of these companys, nor do I think they are a good buy at this time. I guess I should have stated that in the first post. I was just wondering what other peoples thoughts were. Thanks for the replys



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