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JohnDeereBMan

01-12-2004 21:41:55




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I have a few questions about hay rakes. What are the dolly wheels good for? What is better, the roller bar rakes or the rotary ones. Has anyone used a tandem rake hitch, and what are their advantages/disadvantages. I currently have a nh model 56 hayrake, a new idea hayrake, a 3 pt rollerbar rake, and a new kuhn rotary rake at home. I am only a college student, but from experience i do not like rotary rakes because they seem to kick up too much dust, and break down too much. I would like to hook up the nh 56 rotary rake to a tandem hitch, but i have to find another 56 rake, and a hitch. Also, what are the differences between a nh 56,256, and 258 hayrake. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much

Ps. Would my Late style JD B be able to pull a tandem rake hitch with 2 56 rakes?

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Joel Harman

01-14-2004 00:36:18




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 Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 01-12-2004 21:41:55  
I use a dolly. It allows me to turn much sharper.
I have an IH#16.
NH rakes are very expensive here.



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honesthill

01-13-2004 07:41:16




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 Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 01-12-2004 21:41:55  
I'm looking for a Kuhn rotary rake. Do you want to sell the one that you have?



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Shep VA

01-13-2004 06:43:12




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 Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 01-12-2004 21:41:55  
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Here is a picture of my rake bridge. I pull two NH 56 hay rakes in the bridge and it works great. I really hate wheel rakes, I guess they are good if you want to sweep the field clean of rocks and dirt and put it in your baler, but I dont like them. I can rake ahead of my round baler all day with this set up and the baler will never catch the rakes. It is a little tough to back them up if you have to, but if you go slow you would be suprised where you can back them.

Im like you, I like the roll a bar rakes, stay with them.

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Shane

01-13-2004 13:26:51




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 Re: Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to Shep VA, 01-13-2004 06:43:12  
I guess it depends on your ground type as to whether or not you should use a wheel rake. On the type in the pic you posted it may be a bad idea. Just what in samnation are you raking up there anyways or is it just out in the field?



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Shep VA

01-14-2004 08:57:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to Shane, 01-13-2004 13:26:51  
Most of our fields are at least that hilly or worse and wheel rakes just dont cut it. I have to end up adjusting the back rake to make it stay in the windrow most of the time for the hills.

That hay does look funny in that picture doesnt it?? That was actually some sudan grass that had been frost killed and we were baling it up. That is why it looks so dead.

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Shane

01-14-2004 09:29:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to Shep VA, 01-14-2004 08:57:04  
Around here we mostly grow alfalfa or a mix of some type of grass and alfalfa. Had a neighbor grow some sudan grass last year but I don't know who he is gonna sell it too. He is the only guy in a close range with a large square baler and he has an awful lot of those bales all wrapped up laying along his fields. Had to wrap it here, couldn't dry the stuff. Even our beef cows would laugh if we gave them some of that sudan you have in the picture!

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Shep VA

01-14-2004 10:25:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to Shane, 01-14-2004 09:29:43  
Actually that Sudan grass in the picture ran about 35% moisture and we wet wrapped it. After it cooks a while the beef cattle will fight you for it. Smells just like corn silage and they do real good on it. It just looks like dead grass in the picture because it was a frost kill. That was the third cutting on that and we just made it to clean the field off so we could plant small grain. Most of the time when we mow sudan it is 4 foot or more high and very green. We will bale it at 40% or so moisture and wet wrap it. The cattle love it.

You dont want me to give your cows any of our sudan haylage, they will never eat your dry hay again if I do :>)

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Big Jim

01-13-2004 13:24:58




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 Re: Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to Shep VA, 01-13-2004 06:43:12  
Hey Shep,

Off the rake subject, I see you have what looks like a 584 or 684 IH pulling those rakes. I have a 684. How do you like your tractor?



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Shep VA

01-14-2004 09:00:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to Big Jim, 01-13-2004 13:24:58  
Yup you hit it on the head, that is a 684 IH tractor that we have. I love that little tractor, it can get in and around lots of places and it runs those rakes real well. The tractor does have more power then it does weight, and I put two sets of wheel weights on it this year to try and help it out. I also really dont like the hydraulic remote levers, if you ever figure out how to make those more accessable I would love to hear it.

Other than that, I have owned the tractor about 8 years and put a clutch in it and painted it, and it has given good service.

Hope you like yours.

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kyhayman

01-13-2004 05:29:52




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 Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 01-12-2004 21:41:55  
Main difference between the 56 and the 256 is age and some of the framing on the 256 is stamped steel. Bar rakes give more of a twisting action than wheel rakes, plus as you said, pick up less dirt. Dolly wheels are almost essential around here. They allow for shorter turns and provide pivot and flotation which keeps the rake raking the contour of the ground instead of twisting and wrenching the hitch as the tractor front end goes up and down. I fabricated both a dolly wheel and tandem rake hitch last year on a NH 56 which I use to pull a 256. Cost was under $200 total for both.

Regards,
David

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jf

01-14-2004 09:53:40




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 Re: Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to kyhayman, 01-13-2004 05:29:52  
interesting you are the one who answered the question as phrased. WOW



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kyhayman

01-13-2004 07:00:28




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 Re: Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to kyhayman, 01-13-2004 05:29:52  
I put a pic up on impliment photos as New Holland 56 Photo 1.

Regards,
David



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Kelly C

01-13-2004 09:59:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to kyhayman, 01-13-2004 07:00:28  
That looks like a pretty smiple solution.
How does that tow? Do you use one with a front caster wheel so as not to put whight on the hitch?
I would like to see some photos of the home made caster set up you made.
Looks like a good idea. You can do the big swaths when you need to and unhitch for smaller swaths to clean every thing up.



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kyhayman

01-13-2004 19:35:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to Kelly C, 01-13-2004 09:59:11  
I'll try to post the dolly wheel set up tomorrow morning. Both my rakes have dolly wheels. I got my 256 with the NH factory version and I made the one on this one.


The hitch is a pc of tubing inside a pcof tubing, the inner pc is drilled to where I can run it out partially for a 12' swath, 15' swath, or all the way to a full 18'. 1x down and 1 back and I can get 36' if I need to. Pulls good. Full swaths doubled (net of 72')of good hay for rolling and it does put a noticible side pull on the front rake. Otherwise it works great, also put a hitch on the outter tube to pull the rakes one behind the other for transport.

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Shane

01-13-2004 05:26:49




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 Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 01-12-2004 21:41:55  
We used to use the NH side delivery rakes too, then we switched to a 10 wheel V-rake. With this you can rake at 10 mph and take a hefty swath! Plus it requires way less maintaince than those darned side deliverys. I would strongly suggest one of these over any kind of rake.



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Farmered

01-13-2004 05:18:40




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 Re: Hay Rake Questions in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 01-12-2004 21:41:55  
NH made both L and R models of rake so you could rake two swaths together with a proper hitch. Yes your B can easily handle two rakes. Check with your NH dealer, he probably has picture brochures of tandem hookups. Ed



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