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Hooked on ether-how to kick the habit

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Vern

01-23-2004 19:06:40




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I have a 4000 Ford diesel tractor with the 3 cyl engine and it will not crank without a shot of ether. After it runs for a little while it will crank good without it. Compression seems to be good,what can I do to brake it of this habit? Thanks




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doug@upr

01-24-2004 12:31:14




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 Re: Hooked on ether-how to kick the habit in reply to Vern, 01-23-2004 19:06:40  
i always look at the simple and of course cheap repair first. first look at your fuel lines and blow back on them to make sure that there is not any restrictions, then change filters, next check timing, then i would check compression and your injectors, if injectors don't have good chatter or good atomization, change them, usaully not that expensive. if your compression is low then of course that's expensive, motor job etc.

in most case though with my experience hard starting is usually related to the injection pump, meaning that it has low starting delivery/pressure, which mean the head and rotor, or the barrel and plungers, depending on your type of pump are worn out.

my opinion on ether though is that there is nothing wrong with ether as long as it's used properly and lightly, and in hard starting or cold situations is an assest, which will also save your batteries and your starter.

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Shane

01-24-2004 07:08:13




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 Re: Hooked on ether-how to kick the habit in reply to Vern, 01-23-2004 19:06:40  
We had and Allis 7045 that was addicted, it ended up being the injection pump timing was way off. Reset that and she fired instantly.



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kyhayman

01-24-2004 05:31:23




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 Re: Hooked on ether-how to kick the habit in reply to Vern, 01-23-2004 19:06:40  
I've been in this same condition with a 5600. I mistakenly thought that the fancy filter on my bulk fuel tank that my petroleum distbrought was new, it looked it. In fact it was full of water and had rusted. Rust compromised my filter and got into my injector pump. Tractor still ran but I had to ether it to start. A pump and injector rebuild solved the problem. You can narrow it down to either the ingine or the pump/injectors need an OH. I'd do the pump and injectors first, at least to pull and get checked. You'd want to do this if rebuilding the engine anyway.

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buickanddeere

01-24-2004 05:12:16




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 Re: Hooked on ether-how to kick the habit in reply to Vern, 01-23-2004 19:06:40  
. Compression is likely low and cranking speed too slow. Need both to make enough heat to initiate combustion. Odds are it's had a tinker's re-build. Just bearings, rings, gaskets and ground valves/seats. Worn injectors spraying at too low pressure will cause problems too. Besides the blow by between the rings and cylinder walls. The valves are now sunk and the compression ratio has been dropped. Diesels require new vales, seats and guides. The old loose guides/valve stems have by now lets the valves wobble and ruined the sealing ability. Too much either will crush the piston ring grooves together pinching the ring and preventing it from tightly following the cylinder wall surface. Or break rings.

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RAB

01-23-2004 23:18:21




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 Re: Hooked on ether-how to kick the habit in reply to Vern, 01-23-2004 19:06:40  
It probably needed an overhaul when you first needed to ether it, unless it was due to very cold temps. It now probably needs an overhaul more than before. If it was just valves/injectors before, it may well now be pistons, rings and bearings as well.
Regards, RAB



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RAB

01-23-2004 23:17:46




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 Re: Hooked on ether-how to kick the habit in reply to Vern, 01-23-2004 19:06:40  
It probably needed an overhaul when you first needed to ether it, unless it was due to very cold temps. It now probably needs an overhaul more than before. If it was just valves/injectors before, it may well now be pistons, rings and bearings as well.
Regards, RAB



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Vern

01-23-2004 21:36:12




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 Re: Hooked on ether-how to kick the habit in reply to Vern, 01-23-2004 19:06:40  
Hey Vern;

Where are you located? I'm near Seattle.

Vern



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Vern

01-24-2004 18:32:59




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 Re: Re: Hooked on ether-how to kick the habit in reply to Vern, 01-23-2004 21:36:12  
Hi Vern, I am in East Texas.



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Vern

01-24-2004 21:44:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Hooked on ether-how to kick the habit in reply to Vern, 01-24-2004 18:32:59  
Hey Vern;

My wife has relatives in Henderson & Nagodoches.
You near there?

Vern



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twopop

01-23-2004 20:06:26




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 Re: Hooked on ether-how to kick the habit in reply to Vern, 01-23-2004 19:06:40  
take out the injectors,do a compression check.all cylinders over 300 psi,have injectors cleaned and pop tested.repair as necessary.



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